the speed of AI should be increased by 2x for everything

[Fast]

i know someone gonna come in here and tell me..."well akkkkccchually they will need to rebalance the economy or whatever blah blah."

But I think that the SETA whilst being 4x speed half of that would be much more bareable as the normal speed.

Everything happens to slowly in real time and SETA is 4x faster ofc, but quite honestly half of that would be way better for the player.

I understand the want to make space feel slow and cumbersome in large or xl ships, but all it does is make the game require SETA.

If you need players to have 4x speed a lot of the time to see progress in their game on the economy side or their own economy grow....maybe its solving a problem that shouldnt exist rather than being a tool to speed the game up.

A players time is the most important thing to consider and it seems the devs here have made a decision based on what "I want to play" which in turn creates an inconvenience and annoyance for the average player that they solved by adding a tool that removes the inconvenience.

But I always consider...they wouldnt need the tool (SETA in this case) if the balance of time and convenience were better implemented.

[conrado.lacerda]

If I remember correctly, X3 had an option that let you choose the factor for SETA's time compression. Maybe something similar could be done for X4 instead of the default 6x.

Truthfully, I've been weaning off SETA for the past weeks and must admit I find the game more enjoyable without it. Let's see if this lasts...

[Fast]

Originally posted by conrado.lacerda:

If I remember correctly, X3 had an option that let you choose the factor for SETA's time compression. Maybe something similar could be done for X4 instead of the default 6x.

Truthfully, I've been weaning off SETA for the past weeks and must admit I find the game more enjoyable without it. Let's see if this lasts...

I actually quite enjoy non seta play, but it feels like when you play normally you are ...wasting time that could be spent afk gaining money to do more of the things.

I wish there was more of a middle ground, where you didnt feel like you should be running SETA all of the time and the game feeling less cumbersome at normal speed might make it feel like a better experience. And alleviate the need to leave the game on for 12 hours at a time in SETA to see economic progress or whatever you want to do.

[Bozz 💀]

That's why they eneabled SETA after removing it initially.
for people like you.

But x3 was way slower than x4, and honestly I more want a slow game than a fast one, there is so much stuff to do in x4 I really don't see why you guys need SETA specially since it breaks so many stuff around you and even in the universe...

[Daleorn]

In the beginning seta was useful in getting things to progress. But now that I manage dozens of stations and hundreds of ships I can always find something that needs to be done that I havent needed Seta that much anymore.

[Pandorian]

If you need SETA to see economic growth then you're not using all the available tools to their fullest. There are factions at war and the only way to stop them is with the complete annihilation on one side. That means ships are constantly being built and the economy is constantly running. A single ship put mining resources or transporting wares will give you economic growth.

[conrado.lacerda]

Originally posted by Pandorian:

If you need SETA to see economic growth then you're not using all the available tools to their fullest. There are factions at war and the only way to stop them is with the complete annihilation on one side. That means ships are constantly being built and the economy is constantly running. A single ship put mining resources or transporting wares will give you economic growth.

Indeed, that's one thing I noticed playing without seta: I have to be more aware of economic opportunities in the universe and invest more wisely. I've been using "fill shortage" fleets a lot more and building my own factories a lot less, as well as always keeping an eye on the "cash flow" number at the top of the screen.

Overall, it's been a completely different experience from before.

[Pandorian]

Originally posted by conrado.lacerda:

Indeed, that's one thing I noticed playing without seta: I have to be more aware of economic opportunities in the universe and invest more wisely. I've been using "fill shortage" fleets a lot more and building my own factories a lot less, as well as always keeping an eye on the "cash flow" number at the top of the screen.

Overall, it's been a completely different experience from before.

Yup. My X-Treme trade run was basically me just playing universal miner and transport. So many deals to be made. The more I play the more I start seeing player factories as noob traps. They're expensive to build compared to just ships, take a long time to pay off, and will stop functioning once the ware gets saturated. They really shine once you're building your own ships or have started traded with all the NPC stations thus exposing the true lack of production. You build stations to fill those holes and then they don't jam from saturating since that was an actual bottleneck.

[conrado.lacerda]

Originally posted by Pandorian:

My X-Treme trade run was basically me just playing universal miner and transport.

Actually, it was your description of this run in another thread some weeks ago that motivated me to try playing this way.

[mmmcheesywaffles]

You need to learn the difference between a persons ability to think and strategise and the ability to do so at a fast speed. How on earth can you say you represent the average player. Where is your evidence for that?

You may like 2x but I for one would not. I'm older now and like having the time to work out my strategies without panicking because the AI is running ahead of my natural speed, but make no mistake I know how to strategise. I like my games to allow me to chill and enjoy them. Not put me into a race. The game already offer you SETA so go ahead, run the game faster if you 'need' it and leave what is normal to those of us who love the game but can't keep up the speeds we once did.
You wouldn't even have a PC; an OS or a game if it were not for the concepts put into reality by us older folks. So don't suggest ideas that would leave us stranded.

Use your energy to be more creative and find other things to do while you wait for those things you feel are too slow. Even when I was able to think faster I rarely used SETA as I am a creative thinker and just found lots of other things to do while my ship took me to where I wanted.

[[NOPE] Sigvar]

I used to use SETA for travel in the old games but I dont use it with fast travel now being available. As for speeding up the universe.. I dont need that. Between teleport and fast travel I can take care of all that I need to. A game of X (whichever flavor) should last months. Once I am a couple of weeks in, there is so much going on in the universe it becomes difficult to follow it all. Next thing I know I am losing ships and or stations or just money. I understand the use of SETA and I like the X2 version of it.. being selectable up to x10 I thought. I do think that version should be in the game.

[Fast]

Offering the options for gamespeed would be great, I defo think the base speed is a little slow, if you consider the time for a medium trader to travel between sectors around 10-15 minutes off highwayor the production module time of between 30-50 mins each at the higher end. Someone playing for 2-3 hours casually is not really going to see a lot of progress and find the game too slow which is exactly why the games playerbase is consistently low.
My friend bought this game, and spend 20 hours with it and quite literally gave up because of how slow the game is playing normally. But they quite enjoyed the concept. And yet they are now uninstalled simply because the game has almost chore like time scaling.

I think those gatekeeping the specific setup are not considering the time investment this game needs to to be productive and i notice a lot of people saying things, but i check your game time, or achievements and quite frankly yall memeing.

It would be beneficial to either offer time scaling options and increase the use of SETA or move the base time scale to be a little faster to make the universe feel more responsive.

The real solution would be to add a natural time scalar for the player in the option between like 0.5x - 6x and then have the SETA offer its only scalar based on the option you chose.

FOr example if you select 0.5x then SETA could be set at either 4x base or give you selectable options up to 4x. This way scaling stays in line with your base universe speed.

There is defo room for improvement on the speed of the universe and options are always better than no options.

Also i know mods exists, i do not want my game to say modified game file ever these should be vanilla options.

[Bozz 💀]

SETA on his actual speed is already breaking a lot of things in the economy and AI.
Speed it up more and you gonna have some very serious issues.

[Wegadin]

I never use SETA, personally. Between missions, storylines, boarding ships, space combat, setting up stations and choke points, managing trades, buying new ships, organizing fleets, attacking stations.....man, just thinking about it all, and I can't even keep up. Most of the time I am sitting in the map and micromanaging my empire. I think SETA would give me a panic attack.

I think the main reason people use SETA is to quickly have a bunch of cash roll in or to see a station built. But for me, there are so many other things to do in the game that those aforementioned things get accomplished before I even finish my missions or other assignments.

[Plation]

Originally posted by Fast:

Offering the options for gamespeed would be great, I defo think the base speed is a little slow, if you consider the time for a medium trader to travel between sectors around 10-15 minutes off highwayor the production module time of between 30-50 mins each at the higher end. Someone playing for 2-3 hours casually is not really going to see a lot of progress and find the game too slow which is exactly why the games playerbase is consistently low.
My friend bought this game, and spend 20 hours with it and quite literally gave up because of how slow the game is playing normally. But they quite enjoyed the concept. And yet they are now uninstalled simply because the game has almost chore like time scaling.

I think those gatekeeping the specific setup are not considering the time investment this game needs to to be productive and i notice a lot of people saying things, but i check your game time, or achievements and quite frankly yall memeing.

It would be beneficial to either offer time scaling options and increase the use of SETA or move the base time scale to be a little faster to make the universe feel more responsive.

The real solution would be to add a natural time scalar for the player in the option between like 0.5x - 6x and then have the SETA offer its only scalar based on the option you chose.

FOr example if you select 0.5x then SETA could be set at either 4x base or give you selectable options up to 4x. This way scaling stays in line with your base universe speed.

There is defo room for improvement on the speed of the universe and options are always better than no options.

Also i know mods exists, i do not want my game to say modified game file ever these should be vanilla options.

you dont want to use mods or seta. but you want evrybody else to be forced to follow your opinion. If the vanilla game get what you want evrybody have to have double speed ingame. You already have the option to have 6x gamespeed. You can also mod your game. But no you want evrybody to be foreced into 2x gamespeed. what a sellfish mindeset you have sir.

As people point out. in the x3 you had the option to go 10x speed. will that satify you?

[Daddy Shark]

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