Where all the Battleships

[alcash]

I hope one day they add a DLC that will add battleships to all races, every race and faction should have one, really silly only the Terrans and Xenon get to have them, with the exception of one Erlking. That said what ideals do people have for them? I think the Xenon I should have a Asgard like beam to fight back with. I have a few ideal's for other faction one i'll shoot out quick is anti fighter battleship, it would utilize tractor beam tech on its larger turrets that can grab M class ships and smaller and hold them in place forcing the ship to have to move in and target the turret. Give it a large main gun that is like the old mass driver that damages hull through shields.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

There's absolutely no reason why every Faction should have a battleship. Different Factions have different war ideologies (methods of doing war) and can only afford so much. Some simply may find it cheaper not to have battleships and use something else.

Borons just don't seem the type of race to even want battleships. I'm surprised they even have fighters at all.

X3 everyone had battleships. They were called M2s. The "destoyers" in X4 are in X3 terms frigates.

[Defektiv]

Originally posted by Donauwelle:

Originally posted by alcash:

there is always a best, but also you can always play with anything and more allows more time to play, Just the other day just to see if i can do it i took out 4k's and a I with just one argon behemoth and one chrimie with burt rays. Burst rays are the most op weapon in this game imo. You can strip a k in 30 sec of all its turrets and then just take the I engines down and use any destroyer to finish the job

Well thats the thing with "PLAYER" can do this....
The AI struggles with this things....

A 1x"I"+2x"K" xeno battlegroup in ARG/PAR sector = Its free real estate
A 1x"I"+2x"K" xeno battlegroup in Terran sector = *kaboom*
A 1x"I"+2x"K" xeno battlegroup in Split sector = *kaboom*
Have yet to see how the borons handle them...

Currently the DLC factions.... they simply have more tools to use
Wich is fair, they are DLC factions, made after release where the devs learned and maybe had more time to develop unique tools and make them "more flushed out"....

Just hope next DLC gonna be a bit like ToA aka "something for all" focussed on the existing factions

There's a reason my extra shipyard only sells to ARG and PAR. I spent over 700m on blueprints yesterday and it came back in passive income by the time I was done playing.

[alcash]

Originally posted by Donauwelle:

Originally posted by Zalzany:

The battleships are in the past........

good points,
however wasnt in X4 the size of an engine a indicator to its strengh?
Aka the bigger the faster?
Besides is it "fair" to compare modern age navy to sifi-space-navys?

I mean in modern age naval warfare is all about Rockets.
The firepower of a Navy is mostly defined by how many Rockets/planes do they get into the combat zone / how much CQC weapons do you have to avoid enemys.

With Beams, plasma, for some reason super slow rockets and well the fact that space is a different combatzone then water... Im not sure if the same rules can be applied?

Partially sure, the first dumbfire rocket engagement is won by who has the most guns/flak
but then ships start engaging close on.
Even ATM L+XL ships engage on 10KM and closer.
Thats basicly handshake distance.
Is this type of combat comparable to modern navys?

Sieging a Station/breaking an asgard calls for totally different tools then we need in todays navys

Besides after all we Fight a programmed AI, not reallife admirals with evolving and changing "human" tactics.

I agree it's crazy to compare a sci-fi space game to ocean based navy. Also on one point that all warfare has and I can't imagine space any different is range, I hit you b4 you can try to touch me. With that a larger ship should gave ability to fire much larger guns to hit first. I would like to see a artillery type ship that is just one large gun that fires in from 20 to 30km away. Make it extremely slow and weak but designed to be out of combat. There are no in game mechanics for that part of warfare

[Asmosis]

You know what, i want submarines not battleships. Make it happen, we have the Boron after all now.

[Artean]

We need more ship options in general.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Donauwelle:

-God what have i done

I guess "enough ships" doesnt exist.
Moar is always great, and currently the base-game factions are somewhat behind.
Terrans, split and hellyeah boron fleets/ships are.... superior compared to ARG/PAR

Maybe thats something about POV and im looking at ARG/PAR with a bit of Bias... dunno
But id take anything...

More XL´s could change this meta to "longer" XL ship battles.
Maybe....

:D
Yes!
The Paranid keep saying they are superior and keep calling me lowly creature so you would think they would use their galaxy sized super-superior giga-brains to make some type of ship that was at least on par with a pacifist Boron ship :P

You are right, the Argon are also lacking. Unless ive totally forgotten X3 I thought they were a superior military power until the Terrans showed up.

Honestly, my whole thing is that everyone needs more ships haha Big ships, Small ships, pretty ships, all of them. I love this game so I just want more of it :D

Edit: I wish I were a smart and/or talented man so I could try my hand at making my own crazy ships. A Giant hair-dryer or flying saucer with a huge charge up plasma cannon sticking out of the bottom would be right up the Paranids alley, I think.

[Wraith]

Personally my in head lore reason no one has battleships because they all got cannibalized to survived the gate shutdown because no one was apparently prepared to live alone (except the Terran)

Now that the game network is complete however and Egosoft said they aren't done with the game yet.

I would love an Update or DLC having the base faction race to build battleships again.
That or diplomacy Update so I can unleash even more war onto the universe like a Split vs Teladi

[hawkseyez]

comments are ridiculous. any single carrier in the game with full compliment of fighters can take out an Asgard or an I. while i appreciate their space in the game, they are not even close to being needed. i love the differences in the factions reflected through their ships. ya'll just want to turn this into a game it isn't. X4 isn't a battleship simulator it's a full living breathing universe of factions. make a mod if want something else. smh.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by hawkseyez:

comments are ridiculous. any single carrier in the game with full compliment of fighters can take out an Asgard or an I. while i appreciate their space in the game, they are not even close to being needed. smh.

I can take an asgard or an I out in a single fighter or my space suit if I really wanted to spend the time.
We are talking about adding in more battleships/drone carriers/mega traders ect ect, not deleting every other type of ship and only having battleships lol

I mean, If you dont want more battleships then you dont want them and thats fine.
I would be really curious as to exactly why you dont want them though? You said the factions feel more unique with their ships but I feel they are all really the same with different skins and different stats except some dont have battleships.

No pressure or anything, I just like to hear other peoples opinions.

I guess the Yaki and Kha'ak are the worst off for ship choice over all and I really, really would like a Kha'ak overhaul. Those poor buggers need some love haha

[Cellar_Cat]

Originally posted by hawkseyez:

comments are ridiculous. any single carrier in the game with full compliment of fighters can take out an Asgard or an I. while i appreciate their space in the game, they are not even close to being needed. i love the differences in the factions reflected through their ships. ya'll just want to turn this into a game it isn't. X4 isn't a battleship simulator it's a full living breathing universe of factions. make a mod if want something else. smh.

What does this mean exactly... are you suggesting the game needs counters to a carrier full of fighters? Why else would that even be relevant—a carrier full of fighters can kill all sorts of things, are none of those needed?

Why are battleships incompatible with "a full living breathing universe of factions"? Do other ships that fall into similar categories as one another bother you in this way? Falcons and Novas, Eclipses and Gladius. . . es? Is the Minotaur an affront to the living breathing universe for being a worse Peregrine? Do the Mamba and Takoba both really need to exist?

It's interesting how the word battleship in particular seems to do this to people. Maybe we should ask for 'heavy cruisers' or 'XL destroyers' or 'dreadnoughts'.

[LotR[Henchman]]

Originally posted by Faptor:

I can take an asgard or an I out in a single fighter or my space suit if I really wanted to spend the time.
We are talking about adding in more battleships/drone carriers/mega traders ect ect, not deleting every other type of ship and only having battleships lol

I mean, If you dont want more battleships then you dont want them and thats fine.
I would be really curious as to exactly why you dont want them though? You said the factions feel more unique with their ships but I feel they are all really the same with different skins and different stats except some dont have battleships.

No pressure or anything, I just like to hear other peoples opinions.

I guess the Yaki and Kha'ak are the worst off for ship choice over all and I really, really would like a Kha'ak overhaul. Those poor buggers need some love haha

Once again the initial post definately wrote EVEROYNE BATTLESHIP. It's not about XL ships, nor about one or two more for at least me.
And a mayor point is to me, that i think egosoft has also limited resources i rather see spend on giving factions unqiuely feeling options than more battleships, these ships naturally could be XL sized...

There are a few more differences, as general list of what shiptypes we got per Egosofts classifications:

• Fighter (S)
  
• Scout (S)
  
• Miner (S, M, L)
  
• Courier (S)
  
• Transpoter (M)
  
• Freighter (L)
  
• Destroyer (L)
  
• Auxilliary (XL)
  
• Builder (XL)
  
• Heavy fighter (S) => all but the Teladi seemingly got one. (might just have missed it in the list though)
  
• Frigate (M) - Cerberus (Argon), Cobra (Split), Falx (Terran), Gorgon (Paranid), Osprey (Teladi) => Borons don't have it.
  
• Corvette (M) - Dragon (Split), Hydra (Boron), Katana(Terran), Kuraokami (Paranid/Yaki), Nemesis (Paranid) => So neither Argon nor Teladi got one.
  
• Gunboat (M) - Jian (Terran), Minotaur (Argon), Perefrine (Teladi), Thresher (Boron) => So neither Paranid nor Split got one
  
• Scavenger (M) - i think the Minotaur Raider is the single one. So basically a pirate naming convention or something.
  
• Tug (M) - Singular ship type.
  
• Scavenger (L) - Singular ship type (only VIG)
  
• Carrier (L, XL) - with the gupy being the singular L one. And the Raptor being the singular one i'd call XXL.
  
• Compactor (L) - singular available ship.
  
• Battleship (XL) - Only Terran and one individiual ship.

Now to once again give my impressions on Battleships and so on.

I'd rather not have Borons or Split getting Battleships, as i don't see them as people wielding one. And i don't think they need such a capston. Similarly i don't think Terrans should now get a super-carrier.

If i'd have to choose for Paranid between getting a Hyperion-alike Destroyer or a battleship? Then i'd vote for the Hyperion-alike.
If i'd have to choose between Egoosft developing some Drone-Command-Ship which would actually put combat drones into usable gameplay than an Argon Battleship? Then i'd choose the Drone-Command Ship.
If i'd have the choice between some Teladi Flying-Salvage Station and a Battleship for them? I'd once again choose the Flying Slvaging Station.
Now if Egosoft had the Resources for all six? I'd still rather see them doing 2 great battleships for everyone and finding another interesting new kina ship to add, than ending up in a similar situation that we got with Fighters, whereas a felt large amount of people outright tell you not to use Fighter XYZ, as it's clearly the least usable one.

[xDDD]

Originally posted by Asmosis:

You know what, i want submarines not battleships. Make it happen, we have the Boron after all now.

I like where this is going.
Stealth ship modules when?

[CapitalTwo]

I mean there being differences in the factions is a strength, but the argon missing a battleship feels out of place. The teladi should have an XL freighter, the argon and terran should be the "big navy bois" and the paranid and boron having alternate carriers with varying fighters and the split are all about speed and hit/run

[¥aeko]

if someone should get a big "shooty thing" its the Split

*looks at the raptor*
*extrapolates that to a possible battleship*

[Faptor]

Originally posted by LotRHenchman:

• Fighter (S)
  
• Scout (S)
  
• Miner (S, M, L)
  
• Courier (S)
  
• Transpoter (M)
  
• Freighter (L)
  
• Destroyer (L)
  
• Auxilliary (XL)
  
• Builder (XL)
  
• Heavy fighter (S) => all but the Teladi seemingly got one. (might just have missed it in the list though)
  
• Frigate (M) - Cerberus (Argon), Cobra (Split), Falx (Terran), Gorgon (Paranid), Osprey (Teladi) => Borons don't have it.
  
• Corvette (M) - Dragon (Split), Hydra (Boron), Katana(Terran), Kuraokami (Paranid/Yaki), Nemesis (Paranid) => So neither Argon nor Teladi got one.
  
• Gunboat (M) - Jian (Terran), Minotaur (Argon), Perefrine (Teladi), Thresher (Boron) => So neither Paranid nor Split got one
  
• Scavenger (M) - i think the Minotaur Raider is the single one. So basically a pirate naming convention or something.
  
• Tug (M) - Singular ship type.
  
• Scavenger (L) - Singular ship type (only VIG)
  
• Carrier (L, XL) - with the gupy being the singular L one. And the Raptor being the singular one i'd call XXL.
  
• Compactor (L) - singular available ship.
  
• Battleship (XL) - Only Terran and one individiual ship.

Really nice and thought out post.