Where all the Battleships

[alcash]

I hope one day they add a DLC that will add battleships to all races, every race and faction should have one, really silly only the Terrans and Xenon get to have them, with the exception of one Erlking. That said what ideals do people have for them? I think the Xenon I should have a Asgard like beam to fight back with. I have a few ideal's for other faction one i'll shoot out quick is anti fighter battleship, it would utilize tractor beam tech on its larger turrets that can grab M class ships and smaller and hold them in place forcing the ship to have to move in and target the turret. Give it a large main gun that is like the old mass driver that damages hull through shields.

[Asmosis]

The most boring thing about the base game is that every faction gets 1 of each ship type. carrier, destroyer, frigate etc. Uniformity = boring.

I know people are focusing on Battleships, but that's a Terran thing. just like the super carrier is a split thing. Giving every race one of each just makes those ships much less special and unique in the game (aka you're making the game LESS interesting, not more interesting).

Give each race things that the other races wont have. That makes the game more interesting. Especially the Xenon/Kha'ak. We have a grand total of TWO enemy capital ships to shoot at. That gets old real fast.

The counter point of course is that the ships in X4 take significantly more time/resources to make as they are considerably more complex than those in X3 which is why we have less.

One of the taglines for Kingdoms end is the reunion of the races. Well i would love to see an expansion that's all about the Kha'ak or Xenon, expanding their sectors and ships. The Kha'ak especially have some weird and scary L/XL ships in their arsenal. Heck maybe they introduce a new enemy alien race to go along side the Xenon/Kha'ak.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Asmosis:

Well i would love to see an expansion that's all about the Kha'ak or Xenon, expanding their sectors and ships. The Kha'ak especially have some weird and scary L/XL ships in their arsenal. Heck maybe they introduce a new enemy alien race to go along side the Xenon/Kha'ak.

I seriously cant stress enough how much I would love to see the Kha'ak make a comeback. I miss flying their ship lol

[Donauwelle]

Originally posted by Faptor:

I seriously cant stress enough how much I would love to see the Kha'ak make a comeback. I miss flying their ship lol

Yeah me too, during the "Highway" Miniplot in KE there are some Kha'ak hints...
No spoilers but.... seems there is more behind it....

[alcash]

Originally posted by LotRHenchman:

Originally posted by Faptor:

I can take an asgard or an I out in a single fighter or my space suit if I really wanted to spend the time.
We are talking about adding in more battleships/drone carriers/mega traders ect ect, not deleting every other type of ship and only having battleships lol

I mean, If you dont want more battleships then you dont want them and thats fine.
I would be really curious as to exactly why you dont want them though? You said the factions feel more unique with their ships but I feel they are all really the same with different skins and different stats except some dont have battleships.

No pressure or anything, I just like to hear other peoples opinions.

I guess the Yaki and Kha'ak are the worst off for ship choice over all and I really, really would like a Kha'ak overhaul. Those poor buggers need some love haha

Once again the initial post definately wrote EVEROYNE BATTLESHIP. It's not about XL ships, nor about one or two more for at least me.
And a mayor point is to me, that i think egosoft has also limited resources i rather see spend on giving factions unqiuely feeling options than more battleships, these ships naturally could be XL sized...

There are a few more differences, as general list of what shiptypes we got per Egosofts classifications:

• Fighter (S)
  
• Scout (S)
  
• Miner (S, M, L)
  
• Courier (S)
  
• Transpoter (M)
  
• Freighter (L)
  
• Destroyer (L)
  
• Auxilliary (XL)
  
• Builder (XL)
  
• Heavy fighter (S) => all but the Teladi seemingly got one. (might just have missed it in the list though)
  
• Frigate (M) - Cerberus (Argon), Cobra (Split), Falx (Terran), Gorgon (Paranid), Osprey (Teladi) => Borons don't have it.
  
• Corvette (M) - Dragon (Split), Hydra (Boron), Katana(Terran), Kuraokami (Paranid/Yaki), Nemesis (Paranid) => So neither Argon nor Teladi got one.
  
• Gunboat (M) - Jian (Terran), Minotaur (Argon), Perefrine (Teladi), Thresher (Boron) => So neither Paranid nor Split got one
  
• Scavenger (M) - i think the Minotaur Raider is the single one. So basically a pirate naming convention or something.
  
• Tug (M) - Singular ship type.
  
• Scavenger (L) - Singular ship type (only VIG)
  
• Carrier (L, XL) - with the gupy being the singular L one. And the Raptor being the singular one i'd call XXL.
  
• Compactor (L) - singular available ship.
  
• Battleship (XL) - Only Terran and one individiual ship.

Now to once again give my impressions on Battleships and so on.

I'd rather not have Borons or Split getting Battleships, as i don't see them as people wielding one. And i don't think they need such a capston. Similarly i don't think Terrans should now get a super-carrier.

If i'd have to choose for Paranid between getting a Hyperion-alike Destroyer or a battleship? Then i'd vote for the Hyperion-alike.
If i'd have to choose between Egoosft developing some Drone-Command-Ship which would actually put combat drones into usable gameplay than an Argon Battleship? Then i'd choose the Drone-Command Ship.
If i'd have the choice between some Teladi Flying-Salvage Station and a Battleship for them? I'd once again choose the Flying Slvaging Station.
Now if Egosoft had the Resources for all six? I'd still rather see them doing 2 great battleships for everyone and finding another interesting new kina ship to add, than ending up in a similar situation that we got with Fighters, whereas a felt large amount of people outright tell you not to use Fighter XYZ, as it's clearly the least usable one.

I never said only Battleships just that i would like to see more of them, i feel more of anything is fun. Just b/c they dont weld a massive amount of them dont mean all factions cant weld one flagship XL carrier and Battleship. Just my opinion.

[LotR[Henchman]]

Originally posted by alcash:

I never said only Battleships just that i would like to see more of them, i feel more of anything is fun. Just b/c they dont weld a massive amount of them dont mean all factions cant weld one flagship XL carrier and Battleship. Just my opinion.

You're naturally free to have that opinion.
I've given mine and am actually sorry to having somewhat derailed your thread into somewhat of an argument, when you wanted it to be a gathering of ideas.

As i've written before, my idea for somewhat of another flag or better said capstone XL ship would be an even bigger Auxiliary ship that makes use of the scrap recycling mechnics to keep the accompanying fleet restocked without needing access to stations.

[Warnoise]

Argon need something other Colossus and Colossus Jr (Cerberus) for sure

[Taroc]

I would love to see more variety of ships like in x3 wre you have tons of ships and battleships iam not a fan of fighters but thats my opinion i hate to spam fighters i wanna stay on my bridge of a battleship and see my massiv guns fire^^the destryoers in my opinion are to weak and i love the behemoth but wenn you not fly it yourself ist iss useless with its 2 l guns against an k when you fly not yourself what i love to see iss a punshing ball like tank ship i need no asgard with superlaser a ship that can take some hits .

[alcash]

Originally posted by LotRHenchman:

Originally posted by alcash:

I never said only Battleships just that i would like to see more of them, i feel more of anything is fun. Just b/c they dont weld a massive amount of them dont mean all factions cant weld one flagship XL carrier and Battleship. Just my opinion.

You're naturally free to have that opinion.
I've given mine and am actually sorry to having somewhat derailed your thread into somewhat of an argument, when you wanted it to be a gathering of ideas.

As i've written before, my idea for somewhat of another flag or better said capstone XL ship would be an even bigger Auxiliary ship that makes use of the scrap recycling mechnics to keep the accompanying fleet restocked without needing access to stations.

Iv often thought of a ship that takes the scraps of the battle to keep it going, sounds fun

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

Originally posted by LotRHenchman:

Originally posted by Faptor:

I can take an asgard or an I out in a single fighter or my space suit if I really wanted to spend the time.
We are talking about adding in more battleships/drone carriers/mega traders ect ect, not deleting every other type of ship and only having battleships lol

I mean, If you dont want more battleships then you dont want them and thats fine.
I would be really curious as to exactly why you dont want them though? You said the factions feel more unique with their ships but I feel they are all really the same with different skins and different stats except some dont have battleships.

No pressure or anything, I just like to hear other peoples opinions.

I guess the Yaki and Kha'ak are the worst off for ship choice over all and I really, really would like a Kha'ak overhaul. Those poor buggers need some love haha

egosoft has also limited resources

So the only thing about that, X3 the terrans HAD super carriers and X4 modder wise modders already made battleships for all factions which if modders can do it devs could do it much easier and in less time with less resources required. Honestly not a real reason they can't do it. It was like the station builder issue how they were all copies prior to this DLC. Only were copies cause lazy moment is all I can really think of.
In the end X4 lacks a ton of content X3 AP/TC had for free. While X4 is great in a lot of ways don't just give a pass because its X4. If it was in X3 it honestly should be in X4 honestly. Which includes all factions having battleships to compete with each other even if some battleships are not as good as others in a straight fight.

I saw a comment on stealth as well, this is in X3AP as an actual item there as a stealth module that could be added (not a mod either) though it was for making the ship more hidden on sensors only due to early cloaking. We also saw cloaking tech in campaigns during the X3 series that worked much better that said item in X3AP. (Such as the asteroid that was not an asteroid)

[Faptor]

Originally posted by Sola Di Ryuvia:

I saw a comment on stealth as well, this is in X3AP as an actual item there as a stealth module that could be added (not a mod either) though it was for making the ship more hidden on sensors only due to early cloaking.

Its been so long since I played X3 I couldnt tell if I was actually remembering that or just making stuff up in my head canon haha

I miss being able to fly every ship. Xenon, Kha'ak, all of them. I also miss the UFO's hah

[mikemonger]

Originally posted by Cellar_Cat:

Hoping they will flesh out ships now that they've said the universe itself is complete. I'd really like battleships, more L carriers, and some lighter L ships or heavier M ships (kinda like we got with Boron).

Feels like there's a pretty big available space between M and L in most races' lineups.

Bring back missile cruisers!

Those things were a hoot.

[Shavanna]

Lets just call it specialised ships, made by fleet doctrine. Split have the Raptor, because they (should) focus on swarms of small ships, that fight with the support of a carrier Agility first!. Terrans like the heavy punch, thus they have the battleship as their speciality. It feels wrong, that many of their small ships are rather strong too. Teladi dont have a proper speciality, but from the other games it should be either a ship with big shields ('flying brick'), that should be like a tank in the holy trinity of RPGs or a very good trading ship. Paranids tend to be more technologically focused, while the argons themselfs feel more like generalists. This means, that the paranids need some kind of special technological focussed ship, that has special uses, like slow down other ships, boost allies or weaken enemies around it. Argons should be average in all aspects but good in none. The problem is, that they are now rather good in all aspects but master of none right now.
I think Egosoft should rework a part of the fleet specialities, so they feel more distinct.

[Taroc]

battleships ^^