As a on X4 player I am disappointed

[Elder Drake]

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It really is sad to me to see Egosoft go the route of charging for soundtracks, and a special dlc pack when in my humble opinion those that supported the game and own all the DLC should have received this pack free.

We all spend 100s of hours a save so I am fairly certain we get our fair share of X4 music, why would I spend extra money on every single DLCs music when I already own them, and on top of that spend another few bucks for a pack? It is not much financially but it is a bit of a slap to the face as a fan. No 'thank you' really meant to loyal customers, just a please buy everything single thing on the X4 page and you can get this ship in time for Ventures and seasons (without real details on it). It irks me a bit as I helped with bug reports and talked with Bernd in passing myself on station management issues. I know many other member have given a LOT of feedback to the team, and this is the 'thank you' we get for buying not only the game but every piece of in game dlc.

No this does not sit well with me and I am open to intelligent debate but won't bite on trolls on this subject. I did not expect this. and as a well paying customer I think that gives me a right to voice my displeasure.

[zpc]

¥aeko님이 먼저 게시:

zpc님이 먼저 게시:

Well.. the upcoming multiverse async multiplayer is competitive by design...

I didnt hear Bernd talk about anything competitive in the interviews, no idea where that comes from.

You send ship to another savegame, ship does ship stuff, ship comes back - but now the ship can be destroyed too...

It was in the details back when they announced the multiverse team seasons. There is a public beta in preparation and at the very heart there are teams competing with each other. I won't spoil it further / give Egosoft the chance to announce it properly so no sources & a simple: "trust me bro" for now :)

[mirasstone]

Carlos Spicywiener님이 먼저 게시:

one of the tunes from x3 from the Boron territory really stuck with me like an ear worm. Maybe from kingdoms end? Don't remember

Might it have been: Menelaus Lullaby by Richard Goulet wich played in Menelaus Paradise?
That one stuck in my head for days.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

Michael Cimino님이 먼저 게시:

Sola Di Ryuvia님이 먼저 게시:

certain mods (like more ship rooms) honestly are just QoL and aren't in anyway cheating at all and should not be making our save files into a punishment with "modified" tag like there are currently. A massive mechanical change sure that makes sense but graphics or extra QoL? No. The mod system needs to be overhauled.

People negatively review games and still play them all the time. It's called having an opinion. Simply put there isn't anything to justify in that.

QoL means the game is more fun/playable, which makes the game easier to play and is not intended by the devs, which is 100% cheating. It's a rightful punishment that makes sense to have.

It's called being a hypocrite. Unless there is a valid reason; like if the game costs $500. Or if the devs just implemented something atrocious. But those didn't happen.

by definition that isn't a cheat. Adding extra rooms for immersion isn't a cheat good luck saying how that is a cheat when it doesn't make the game easier to play just adds immersion. Changing music isn't a cheat by definition it doesn't help you. Adding a mod to allow you to actually staff your ship with crew from your station that goes along with said station's population (use to be an issue hopefully fixed by now) isn't a cheat it is just fixing a glaring error how Paranid could somehow spawn from Terran habitats. So no QoL isn't a cheat for majority of the time sorry.

[CelestialFlea]

Just a touch of entitlement coming from the OP here. It's probably been discussed to hell and I'm sure as hell not reading 9 pages of comments but I'll add my own take to it.

Devs adding the soundtracks as an extra DLC is hardly a new thing for games that have distinctive enough soundtracks like X games do. It's literally just a few extra bucks to support the devs and the extraordinarily talented musicians who made these tracks. The music is included in the DLC which plays as you're exploring, it's not as if you're forced to buy it to hear the soundtrack so what's the big bloody problem? Buy the soundtrack as a bonus or not, it's that simple. My god..

[Valhalla Awaits]

KackstiftGER님이 먼저 게시:

i heard the music files are in the game files...

^This. And you can listen to every single track for free online through 100's of avenues. The soundtrack offered is simply the highest quality option and you pay a little for it if you want that.

Given the soundtrack is actually the best feature of the X series in general, I can understand why they try and sell it.

[Michael Cimino]

Sola Di Ryuvia님이 먼저 게시:

Michael Cimino님이 먼저 게시:

QoL means the game is more fun/playable, which makes the game easier to play and is not intended by the devs, which is 100% cheating. It's a rightful punishment that makes sense to have.

It's called being a hypocrite. Unless there is a valid reason; like if the game costs $500. Or if the devs just implemented something atrocious. But those didn't happen.

by definition that isn't a cheat. Adding extra rooms for immersion isn't a cheat good luck saying how that is a cheat when it doesn't make the game easier to play just adds immersion. Changing music isn't a cheat by definition it doesn't help you. Adding a mod to allow you to actually staff your ship with crew from your station that goes along with said station's population (use to be an issue hopefully fixed by now) isn't a cheat it is just fixing a glaring error how Paranid could somehow spawn from Terran habitats. So no QoL isn't a cheat for majority of the time sorry.

Read my other post here (#119) that explains why you can't distinguish QoL mods from cheating mods or any other mods. I have yet to ever hear a counter argument against it from anyone. Restating your arguments and opinions isn't enough.

[Hakenden]

I refuse to just let you take the field here @Michael Cimino

First of all, please take note that there is no multiplayer in X4 at the moment!
Furthermore, you don't know what a future multiplayer will look like, let alone that you personally can have more
more influence on Ventures than sending/investing material.

The bonus we are talking about in the Community of planets collector's edition is therefore also an unfair advantage.
if I follow your description.

It's just a shame that you're getting so rudely and relentlessly involved in this discussion,
because in doing so, you're putting a strain on the original debate about whether this bonus you get for buying all the soundtracks was a good idea or not.
All of us who write/post here care about X4.
That's why it's so important to write about ideas and desires in X4 that affect us.
For example, I am someone who criticises X4 harshly but at the same time admits to enjoying playing X4.
Is that easy?
Certainly not, I already wrote 2 years ago that in X4 the map/arrangement of the races is problematic because it leads to so much static.
Why can the Xenon be wiped out when they actually come from deep space, at least according to the novels? .
Why has the jump drive been abandoned ? ...

Please try to keep this in mind.

[Michael Cimino]

Hakenden님이 먼저 게시:

I refuse to just let you take the field here @Michael Cimino

First of all, please take note that there is no multiplayer in X4 at the moment!
Furthermore, you don't know what a future multiplayer will look like, let alone that you personally can have more
more influence on Ventures than sending/investing material.

The bonus we are talking about in the Community of planets collector's edition is therefore also an unfair advantage.
if I follow your description.

It's just a shame that you're getting so rudely and relentlessly involved in this discussion,
because in doing so, you're putting a strain on the original debate about whether this bonus you get for buying all the soundtracks was a good idea or not.
All of us who write/post here care about X4.
That's why it's so important to write about ideas and desires in X4 that affect us.
For example, I am someone who criticises X4 harshly but at the same time admits to enjoying playing X4.
Is that easy?
Certainly not, I already wrote 2 years ago that in X4 the map/arrangement of the races is problematic because it leads to so much static.
Why can the Xenon be wiped out when they actually come from deep space, at least according to the novels? .
Why has the jump drive been abandoned ? ...

Please try to keep this in mind.

Regardless, when ventures was enabled there were online features with other players. That is a very limited form of multiplayer.

Yes, that bonus you're talking about would be an unfair advantage -- that's what we call "Pay-to-Win". Pay-to-Win is different from cheating. One is a developer intended advantage and one is not. That's why we have different terms for these things.

Funny what you think rude is. I come from a culture where calling someone rude like you have is far ruder. You already criticized Egosoft for censoring your voice here, and now you're hypocritically antagonizing me because you don't like how I speak.

You're right that it is important to write about X4 because we care about it. I specifically hope the devs continue to ignore people like you who I've seen post nonsense ever since I became a fan 11 years ago. Back then it was about how horrible XRebirth was (only one ship! *cry*), and I defended Egosoft's great work on that game. Now it's X4 where we see people with many hundreds and thousands of hours hypocritically criticize the game with negative reviews when it's literally their most played game.

Prove me wrong in a debate where you actually address what I said to you, otherwise I stand by what I said: Don't negatively review a game you still play and enjoy while citing some vapid criticisms in defense.

[Darkom]

the only thing im dissapointed in in this game is u need bleeping high end system if u dont wanna have fps drop on the map or near stations.

[Michael Cimino]

Darkom님이 먼저 게시:

the only thing im dissapointed in in this game is u need bleeping high end system if u dont wanna have fps drop on the map or near stations.

100% agreed. I couldn't play the game for 3 years until I bought my new system.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

Michael Cimino님이 먼저 게시:

Sola Di Ryuvia님이 먼저 게시:

by definition that isn't a cheat. Adding extra rooms for immersion isn't a cheat good luck saying how that is a cheat when it doesn't make the game easier to play just adds immersion. Changing music isn't a cheat by definition it doesn't help you. Adding a mod to allow you to actually staff your ship with crew from your station that goes along with said station's population (use to be an issue hopefully fixed by now) isn't a cheat it is just fixing a glaring error how Paranid could somehow spawn from Terran habitats. So no QoL isn't a cheat for majority of the time sorry.

Read my other post here (#119) that explains why you can't distinguish QoL mods from cheating mods or any other mods. I have yet to ever hear a counter argument against it from anyone. Restating your arguments and opinions isn't enough.

My man it is as easy as using the definition of a cheat and comparing it to the mod. Does it give "an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually in order to make the game easier." If yes is it via: "Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or created by third-party software (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge). They can also be realized by exploiting software bugs"
If it fails to give an advantage beyond normal game play OR it isn't a cheatcode/ or trainer/debugger or exploit on a bug by definition it is not a cheat. Simple as. So fact some QoL mods aren't cheats that is a simple fact not even an opinion. You can very easily distinguish them you just don't want to it seems. Again there is your "counter argument against it" that you keep saying doesn't exist.