X4: Foundations

X4: Foundations

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SUPER Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:39pm
DLC Ships are too strong compared to NON-DLC Ships .
ARG and TLD ships are unusable garbage . Probably Boron ships are strong too .
I hope to buff NON-DLC Ships . I love Quasar Vanguard , but everyone know this ship is very weak .
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uni790 Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:51pm 
Originally posted by AAFEGE:
ARG and TLD ships are unusable garbage . Probably Boron ships are strong too .
I hope to buff NON-DLC Ships . I love Quasar Vanguard , but everyone know this ship is very weak .

Well, of all the fighters I think the Quasar(I may have the wrong ship) has the most firepower with 6 gun slots, nothing wrong there.

All the races destroyers/carriers have their unique gimmics that may or may not be helpful, the Argon's is basically a light carrier, rather then a pure destroyer.

While it's true, nothing in game is a match for an Asguard, many destroyers can beat the Osaka in a straight up fight. As long as you're careful about positioning and range, you'll never lose to the knife fighting rattlesnake of the split, even in a Teladi destroyer(which admittedly is the worst design they could have ever come up with).
Laserak Jan 23, 2023 @ 9:59pm 
Originally posted by uni790:
Originally posted by AAFEGE:
ARG and TLD ships are unusable garbage . Probably Boron ships are strong too .
I hope to buff NON-DLC Ships . I love Quasar Vanguard , but everyone know this ship is very weak .

Well, of all the fighters I think the Quasar(I may have the wrong ship) has the most firepower with 6 gun slots, nothing wrong there.

All the races destroyers/carriers have their unique gimmics that may or may not be helpful, the Argon's is basically a light carrier, rather then a pure destroyer.

While it's true, nothing in game is a match for an Asguard, many destroyers can beat the Osaka in a straight up fight. As long as you're careful about positioning and range, you'll never lose to the knife fighting rattlesnake of the split, even in a Teladi destroyer(which admittedly is the worst design they could have ever come up with).
The point is, they have objectively better ships. Doesn't mean you can't accomplish a goal with them, but not choosing them is just purposing handicapping yourself.

The split have the most insane carrier, the fastest combat engines, and crazy DPS destroyer.
Terran has the Asguard, the best shields, the arguable best capital engines.
Tides brought the Erlking.
What does Argon \ Teladi \ Paranid have? Not a single 'special' thing. Each of their respective 'items' are tradeoffs, not 'THIS IS THE BEST PERIOD'.
Asmosis Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:15pm 
Are you concerned because the ships you are using are too weak vs your enemy, or are you concerned because the ships you are using are too strong vs the enemy?

The ships are fine either way, because you either own the DLC and have access to either use or fight against the more challenging ships, or you don't on the DLC in which case it doesnt matter at all.

This is a single player sandbox game. The objectives in the game can be as trivial or challenging as you like regardless of the ships you use. Want to vaporise Xenon stations in 5 seconds? you can do it.

Also not everything is about combat. Terrans have terrible trade/mining ships in the M range and Paranid L miners are superior to everything except the Donia which is slightly better.

Argon turrets are significantly better than every other factions.

Teladi are good at capitalism (IDK these guys are the non-combat faction). I use their XL ships though since they look cool.

*edit*
Also the Rattlesnake (and other high weapon count ships) is not actually that much better than base game destroyers for DPS. It has better burst DPS (sacrificing range) but sustained DPS isn't much different across the board since all weapons on a ship share the same heat cooldown. 4 weapons take twice as long to cool as 2, so after the initial burst sustained DPS is the same.

Didn't learn that till i started playing around with an Asgard, has made me completely rethink my fav S and M ships.
Last edited by Asmosis; Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:19pm
Kajar Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:17pm 
The main difference is cost.
Sure, the Osaka is stronger than the other destroyers, but it is also really, really expensive. For 1 Osaka or Rattlesnake, you can buy 3 Behemoth / Phoenix, which in total will bring more firepower and health onto the field.
Argon and Teladi therefore have the most cost effective capital ships.
Paranid have the fastest ones and you can still generally buy 2 Oddy E for the cost of 1 Osaka/Rattlesnake.
Rattlesnake is EXTREMELY squishy and will be very quickly destroyed if it comes under fire. Especially missiles will very quickly cripple it.
Asgard is very strong indeed, but also extremely expensive to get. And it is ohhh so slow. It doesn't really have a place in my fleet either. By the time i get it, there is no enemies left to use it on.
Split Mk4 engines are stupidly expensive in their engine parts requirement. One Mk4 engine eats as much engine parts as 5 XL engines. The high top speed also comes with a rather bad acceleration.

I actually very rarely use terran ships simply because they are so overpriced compared to their performance. I haven't bought a Rattlesnake in a long time either. In your personal hands it is amazing, but in AI hands it tends to just die because of its very low staying power.
Kajar Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:46pm 
Terrans had the best ships yup, but their weaponry left alot to be desired. Xenon were average across the board.
Paranid had the most powerful destroyer though since i was able to mount the Shockwave Generator, obliterating entire fleets in seconds. fun times~

Boron won't get a Megalodon, they have the standard XL Carrier, L Destroyer combo with their unique ship being an L sized Light Carrier.
Asmosis Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:52pm 
all i remember from X3 at this point was some rediculously overpowered flamethrower weapon the pirates sold, and spending hours shooting Xenon near TER stations while dodging incoming fire from TER long enough to get my rep up to buy some medium sized ship that was rediculous in all aspects? i think it had starfire in its name or weapon or something.

Originally posted by Kajar:
Terrans had the best ships yup, but their weaponry left alot to be desired. Xenon were average across the board.
Paranid had the most powerful destroyer though since i was able to mount the Shockwave Generator, obliterating entire fleets in seconds. fun times~

Boron won't get a Megalodon, they have the standard XL Carrier, L Destroyer combo with their unique ship being an L sized Light Carrier.

Have they released all the ship specs already? that's kinda boring. I'm not a huge fan of uniformity amongst the races, very much liked RIP/VIG for their unique balance on ships.
Last edited by Asmosis; Jan 23, 2023 @ 10:54pm
Kajar Jan 23, 2023 @ 11:10pm 
Nah, we only got the names, classes and flavour text so far in some files that have been included in the beta.

The ship you might be thinking of is either the Spitfyre or Springblossom, which were available in Aldrin. Both being crazy fast, with the Springblossom being a corvette which was able to mount the capital-sized flak Starburst Shockwave Cannon.
Bob Jan 23, 2023 @ 11:25pm 
This is wrong. There is an important distinction. The player ship and your overall fleet. Commonwealth dominate every ship class S (Argon), M (Teladi, Paranid), L (Teladi, Paranid, Argon), XL (Teladi, Argon). Equipment is mostly Argon or Teladi, too. And price is important, too.

I would even daresay that OOS the best ships are Teladi and Argon (price-performance).

Only the player who is able to ignore the quirks and problems of every lopsided Split or Terran Ship can utilize them well.

In most of my games I end up to rely mostly on Argon and Teladi Ships and Equipment.
Last edited by Bob; Jan 23, 2023 @ 11:36pm
Asmosis Jan 24, 2023 @ 2:09am 
Originally posted by Kajar:
Nah, we only got the names, classes and flavour text so far in some files that have been included in the beta.

The ship you might be thinking of is either the Spitfyre or Springblossom, which were available in Aldrin. Both being crazy fast, with the Springblossom being a corvette which was able to mount the capital-sized flak Starburst Shockwave Cannon.
ahh yup the springblossom was the one.
Sir Snuffles Jan 24, 2023 @ 3:28am 
agree, argon and teladi caps are really lacking in anything. paranid are sort of okay, atleast the new model they added
blackphoenixx Jan 24, 2023 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by Laserak:
The split have the most insane carrier, the fastest combat engines, and crazy DPS destroyer.
Terran has the Asguard, the best shields, the arguable best capital engines.
Tides brought the Erlking.
What does Argon \ Teladi \ Paranid have? Not a single 'special' thing. Each of their respective 'items' are tradeoffs, not 'THIS IS THE BEST PERIOD'.
Paranid have the best miners and traders. The Odysseus E is also the fastest destroyer in the game and the Zeus E the fastest carrier (by a huge margin).
Their S shields also have the best power to recharge delay ratio and their L plasma has the longest range.

Argon don't have the best in many things, but most of their options get 2nd or 3rd place in pretty much any category. The Nova Vanguard is a great interceptor (and the only fighter with tilt engines) and the Pulsar is the only S ship with 6 main guns.
The Behemoth may not be able to keep up with a Syn but you can also buy 4-5 of them for the price of one.
They do get the best anti-fighter turret, their turrets turn twice as fast as most others and the Colossus is the only carrier with 3 XL shields aside from the Tokyo (which costs about twice as much). They also get the most guns on their defense discs.

Teladi miners are good, their combat ships all suck though. On the upside they're usually the cheapest, their M miner is the only one with more than 1 shield slot and their traders are pretty solid and generally well shielded too.
Their Mk3 S shields also have the highest capacity (which isn't useful very often because their recharge sucks, but if you're running S miners or transports they're BiS).

As for Split the Raptor may be impressive but it's objectively ♥♥♥♥. You can buy 3-4 normal carriers for the money and get more fighter space with 9-12 times the shielding instead.
They also pay for their fast speed with terrible shields and very slow travel drives and their miners and traders are among the least efficient in the game (only beaten for last place by the Terrans).

Similar for Terrans - they get the Asgard and what's probably the best interceptor (if you count PIO for the Takoba), but their other S ships universally suck.
The Katana is good but not better than a Nemesis and while the Falx is the only frigate with 4 main guns it pays by only having 2 shield slots (unlike all commonwealth frigs which get 3). The Jian is basically only good for parking on M docks for extra turrets.
The Syn and Osaka are good but also cost much more than any commonwealth destroyer.
Also everything terran is much more expensive than their counterparts and their miners and traders are the worst in the game.
Last edited by blackphoenixx; Jan 24, 2023 @ 4:06am
Wraith Jan 24, 2023 @ 5:58am 
Behemoth are all rounders and way cheaper so I don’t really see the problem

They also have longer range then the Terran/split equivalent by alot
Vali Jan 24, 2023 @ 6:54am 
All my flagships has a escort of at least 6 odysseus. They are the best artillery and escort ships in this size. Plus an M dock.

Some of my Aux ships are from Teladi, they are cheap and good enough for the task.

Teladi S and M ships are cheap, this is a point alone for air dominance in a short time.
blackphoenixx Jan 24, 2023 @ 7:22am 
Originally posted by Vali:
Teladi S and M ships are cheap, this is a point alone for air dominance in a short time.
The Buzzard and Falcon aren't even that bad, they have good shields and decent maneuverability.
They're just incredibly slow with the teladi engines. Put some SPL combat engines into them and they do quite well.

The Osprey on the other hand is agonizingly slow and sluggish even with a Mk4 combat engine and Mk3 thrusters, to the point where the rest of its stats barely matter because it won't get to use them anyway.
You can get a Cerberus Vanguard (for slightly cheaper even) instead which trades 5 drones and 16k hull for better speed and twice the maneuverability.

Similar for the Peregrine - turrets do little damage and a Nemesis Vanguard is cheaper and offers a lot more for your credits with its 5 main gun slots and best-in-class maneuverability.
Daddy Shark Jan 24, 2023 @ 7:32am 
The Argon are the jack-of-all-trades faction. They're capable at everything yet excel at nothing.

This game has so many moving parts and pieces you can't really say whats "the best" because that changes in any given scenario. Yeah, the Asgard is a beast that can delete an I in one shot. . . but if it gets swarmed with burst rays it's dead in the water in under a minute. The Syn is an absolute monster but if it comes up against some gravitons it will die in seconds.

The Terrans are by far the most "tech advanced" but that doesn't mean they're objectively the best at everything.

The Teladi are of course the trading-based faction and all their ships reflect that. When it comes to moving trade good around and mining ore the Terrans don't have anything that can keep up with the Teladi.

The Split are the "alpha strike" fighting race. They zip in and hit hard then run because they have a glass jaw. Non-boost they can outrun and hit harder than any Terran vessel save the mighty Asgard's XL cannon of Doom.
Last edited by Daddy Shark; Jan 24, 2023 @ 7:41am
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