Are the Split supposed to die?

[Sparky]

I'm new to this game and have made my way to the Split quest line but it's impossible to do right now because they're getting completely rolled by the Xen. There are Xen destroyers everywhere in almost every Split sector destroying all their stations.

I'm almost sort of holding them back with the 2 Destroyers you can get for free, but it's not helping enough. Are the Split supposed to just get absolutely hammered into the ground like this? If so, how are you even supposed to do their quest line?

[Wraith]

You have to help them somewhat
They are in the worse scenario

It not that they can’t defend themselves it that they have to much to defend.

Doing the plot mission can actually significantly help them

[SpaceToast]

They always die to being attacked on 3 fronts by xenon and the occasional argon. They cant afford to replace there own ships due to the high engine part and hull part costs. If you want to save them, at game start build a defence station at the tharkas cascade gate on there south border. Then work on exterminating the xenon to the north. The xenon to the east can be dealt with either a defence plat or just killing them. but they should be dealt with last as they have to kill off the paranid in those sectors first which takes them some time.

If your wondering how to afford this at game start, I recommend capturing and selling SCA destroyers and capturing FAF rattlesnakes to build a fleet. You could also just capture a L transport with a HIGH marine capacity and capture a terran asgard with no rep loss and use it to quickly wipe the xenon.

[Sparky]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

They are easy to help out. Where xenon are coming into their sectors at the gate drop 200+ laser towers mk2. Kill all of Xenon ships. If you don't want to do that just find split build station missions. Later on you can nurse them back to life just from one station alone.

The main issue is all the Xen destroyers. I've seen at least 1 fleet of 3 in every system.

[Wraith]

Originally posted by SpaceToast:

They always die to being attacked on 3 fronts by xenon and the occasional argon. They cant afford to replace there own ships due to the high engine part and hull part costs. If you want to save them, at game start build a defence station at the tharkas cascade gate on there south border. Then work on exterminating the xenon to the north. The xenon to the east can be dealt with either a defence plat or just killing them. but they should be dealt with last as they have to kill off the paranid in those sectors first which takes them some time.

If your wondering how to afford this at game start, I recommend capturing and selling SCA destroyers and capturing FAF rattlesnakes to build a fleet. You could also just capture a L transport with a HIGH marine capacity and capture a terran asgard with no rep loss and use it to quickly wipe the xenon.

If we sum up potential borders that has enemies it pretty much goes up to 9

Most faction doesn't even have 3+ lol

[Oddible]

This is pretty common. Also super fun! If you want an easier way with the Split story start a new game. Most other factions can be stabilized by putting a couple silicon miners in their territory early. Since FRF don't build capital ships and with more Xenon around it is tough for the Split.

You can kill those 3 xenon capitals. Fly in quickly, shoot out ONE engine on one ship, then fly away. Zoom back in and do it again to the same or another ship. Then kite them and spread them out.

Or save the Split story till you have more resources. The end of the Split missions will take a LOT it resources anyway.

[Xautos]

Doesn't help that the split have the worst shielding on their ships and that they don't have any defences at all in most of their systems (i don't know if that was intentional or an oversight by the developers), not even a raptor or two patrolling around with other destroyers. with other races you see that they have a lot of security and a working economy which is strong enough to produce what is needed each time to keep the xenon at bay.

The Xenon will always roll over the split because they have nothing to defend with.

[Oddible]

Originally posted by Xautos:

Doesn't help that the split have the worst shielding on their ships and that they don't have any defences at all in most of their systems (i don't know if that was intentional or an oversight by the developers), not even a raptor or two patrolling around with other destroyers. with other races you see that they have a lot of security and a working economy which is strong enough to produce what is needed each time to keep the xenon at bay.

The Xenon will always roll over the split because they have nothing to defend with.

They do. FRF can't build capitals until end of the storyline but ZYA can. Like all factions if you feed ZYA resources you'll see Rattlesnakes and Raptors everywhere.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by Oddible:

Originally posted by Xautos:

Doesn't help that the split have the worst shielding on their ships and that they don't have any defences at all in most of their systems (i don't know if that was intentional or an oversight by the developers), not even a raptor or two patrolling around with other destroyers. with other races you see that they have a lot of security and a working economy which is strong enough to produce what is needed each time to keep the xenon at bay.

The Xenon will always roll over the split because they have nothing to defend with.

They do. FRF can't build capitals until end of the storyline but ZYA can. Like all factions if you feed ZYA resources you'll see Rattlesnakes and Raptors everywhere.

you mentioned by feeding them resources, so they don't have a functional economy of their own. I would of thought even the split would have some ships and a basic economy running.

What would it take to get them back up so they can feed themselves or are you constantly going to feed them? will they collapse when you stop feeding them resources?

[Wraith]

FRF is essentially a leach.
Sure they somewhat help with the economy of the Split but they are more likely gonna feed their own station instead of ZYA stations.

ZYA have to defend FRF and themselves.
My recommendation is split off ZYA and FRF but don't kill off ZYA entirely in the plot.
There a reason DAL said you don't have to do everything when he was telling you all the options.

Help ZYA keep it resource sector and you will notice them swimming in capital ships before long once they aren't spread left and right all over split space helping keep FRF from falling themselves.

[blackphoenixx]

Originally posted by Xautos:

Originally posted by Oddible:

They do. FRF can't build capitals until end of the storyline but ZYA can. Like all factions if you feed ZYA resources you'll see Rattlesnakes and Raptors everywhere.

you mentioned by feeding them resources, so they don't have a functional economy of their own. I would of thought even the split would have some ships and a basic economy running.

What would it take to get them back up so they can feed themselves or are you constantly going to feed them? will they collapse when you stop feeding them resources?

The split problem is that their main mining sectors are under attack right from the game start. Their miners get killed, they stop getting resources, they can't replace lost ships, they get overrun by xenon.

Miner AI isn't exactly stellar with not getting murdered so having to do most of their mining in a sector with near-constant Xenon presence (on top of Khaak) makes it very difficult for them to get established.
The Wyvern and Alligator are also quite a bit less efficient than most other miners (Terrans are worse, but they're the only ones) and split engines tend to use a lot of engine parts which doesn't help matters.

Once you get them over that bump to where they have a functional defensive fleet they can keep holding on on their own well enough though, they just have to reach critical mass where they can replace lost miners fast and reliably enough to not get into that death spiral.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Originally posted by Xautos:

What would it take to get them back up so they can feed themselves or are you constantly going to feed them? will they collapse when you stop feeding them resources?

At my current playthrough (which is first and last atm): they cant survive without your help in defence or feeding thier ship production. I was supplying their Shipyard/Wharf several days. They even tried to push Xenon and slightly pushed Argon. After I stopped they lost all military to a single Xenon threat from the "North". All over directions was covered by my fleets or defence platforms near gates. Now their shipyard empty again.
Their mining regions under my protection, thus its not mining problem.
Yes, they're initialy in a bad shape. But babysitting them doesn't help them become selfsufficient.

[🎮 PalkoVvodets 🔑]

Originally posted by Wraith:

ZYA have to defend FRF and themselves.
My recommendation is split off ZYA and FRF but don't kill off ZYA entirely in the plot.

I really hope I can get rid of FRF at Split plot just to finally wipe out FAF from the map.

[noviastar]

Helping the Split Free families is a great gesture of good will from the Terran people. NTDF forces will send fleets and help with resource gathering. The construction corps will assist in building of stations. As the conflict with the Imperial faction and the fractureous nature of split families don't foster good inter family economic development. Might take a outside party to help a lot.

[hurepoix]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

They are easy to help out. Where xenon are coming into their sectors at the gate drop 200+ laser towers mk2. Kill all of Xenon ships. If you don't want to do that just find split build station missions. Later on you can nurse them back to life just from one station alone.

You miss the easiest solution ; Lets Splits die. Anyway the worst that can happen is the patriarchat will be ruined and crippled. Free families will survive since eastern sectors cant fall. Splits are not useful for x4 economy anyway, and are excentred.

[Oddible]

Originally posted by Xautos:

you mentioned by feeding them resources, so they don't have a functional economy of their own. I would of thought even the split would have some ships and a basic economy running.

What would it take to get them back up so they can feed themselves or are you constantly going to feed them? will they collapse when you stop feeding them resources?

None of the factions have functional economies early. The player matters, this gives you the opportunity to be the hero. It is incredibly rewarding to save a faction either economically or militarily it both! The Split just happen to have a tough to of it because of their location and the FRF armistice.