150 large miners at HQ and I still don't have enough ore or silicone

[Squashie]

Am I doing something wrong?

[Capnbludd]

I'm going with yes.

No idea what, but yes.

[veryinky]

Don't bother mining silicon with captains less than 2 or 3 stars. It's the main industrial bottleneck. Make sure you have trained crews manning your ships, I recommend getting your own construction ships and building stations to train up crews quickly, rotating them out to mining ships as they reach 5*. Maximize the number of mining drones, mining lasers, to increase mining speed. Paranid vanguard mining ship is best (most mining lasers, fast), then Split (many mining lasers, also fast), then a distant 3rd is Argon, Teladi and Terrans make the worst L class mining ship.

[Wraith]

If 150 large miner isn’t supplying your station enough

It either an excessive amount of production or limited pier access

[Squashie]

Originally posted by veryinky:

Don't bother mining silicon with captains less than 2 or 3 stars. It's the main industrial bottleneck. Make sure you have trained crews manning your ships, I recommend getting your own construction ships and building stations to train up crews quickly, rotating them out to mining ships as they reach 5*. Maximize the number of mining drones, mining lasers, to increase mining speed. Paranid vanguard mining ship is best (most mining lasers, fast), then Split (many mining lasers, also fast), then a distant 3rd is Argon, Teladi and Terrans make the worst L class mining ship.

These are assigned to a station and managed by a station. Does skill level still apply?
Also, can you please clarify building stations? As in they level up when they build stations?
And is it better to use M miners or L miners?

[eMYNOCK]

please provide screens of your HQ and its Logical Overview.

[Squashie]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

please provide screens of your HQ and its Logical Overview.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198023889112/screenshots/

Also, There are 160 M and L miners and split about half gas half mineral

[Squashie]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Your screenshots don't tell much. Share your save if you don't have mods. I'll have a look. But I would first check each miner and what they are up to.

They all appear to be hauling things. So nothing is slowing down.
Game is slightly modded.

If it makes any difference, My consumption is 82k per hour on silicone and 106k on ore.

[Squashie]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

please provide screens of your HQ and its Logical Overview.

Also, Gas miners just wonder around the gas areas not deploying gas collectors and collecting maybe 2 units of gas every 30 1 min on SETA

[Z-Bane]

Where do your mining ships mine? For example, I have built a trading station (with mining ships as traders) with solid and liquid gas in the sector where there are the most raw materials. Then I stop auto mining (also with imitation command) in the sector and sell only to my own station. It is so effective that I can supply 3 mega stations and the warehouses are always full.

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Your screenshots don't tell much. Share your save if you don't have mods. I'll have a look. But I would first check each miner and what they are up to.

the screens do tell the story of an enormously huge station with the demand of an entire economy.

they don't tell were the miners mine however...

i fear the station is just so big, the miners just have so few nearby recources to mine and even have to go vast distances that this allone is causing the shortages.

judging by the background i assume the Station is in Memory of Profit... there should be plenty of resources in adjecant Sectors ... what bites it self in the rear how ever is that it takes some time to go to them.

[Squashie]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Your screenshots don't tell much. Share your save if you don't have mods. I'll have a look. But I would first check each miner and what they are up to.

the screens do tell the story of an enormously huge station with the demand of an entire economy.

they don't tell were the miners mine however...

i fear the station is just so big, the miners just have so few nearby recources to mine and even have to go vast distances that this allone is causing the shortages.

judging by the background i assume the Station is in Memory of Profit... there should be plenty of resources in adjecant Sectors ... what bites it self in the rear how ever is that it takes some time to go to them.

Thats the strange part.
Mineral miners go to Nopileos Fortune 2 and seem to mine as normal. It's just far away.
Gas miners HOWEVER, go to 18 billion and are extremely slow to collect gas. It's says that they don't have any active gas drones deployed and it takes 15 sec in SETA to mine 5 units of gas. Is that Normal?

[blackphoenixx]

Originally posted by Squashie:

Thats the strange part.
Mineral miners go to Nopileos Fortune 2 and seem to mine as normal. It's just far away.

That's definitely part of the problem then. Having to travel between sectors is absolute murder on the efficiency of L miners (doesn't help M miners either but not as bad for them).
You're literally spending more time on travel than on the mining itself.

If you absolutely need to have resources brought in from outside the sector i'd strongly recommend using a mining station so your L miners can mine and deliver in the same sector and use M miners for the transporting.

Originally posted by veryinky:

Maximize the number of mining drones, mining lasers, to increase mining speed. Paranid vanguard mining ship is best (most mining lasers, fast), then Split (many mining lasers, also fast), then a distant 3rd is Argon, Teladi and Terrans make the worst L class mining ship.

Most of this is wrong or outdated.
- on L miners you don't need maximum number of mining turrets, it barely makes a difference; the L turret (or the 3 mandatory M's in the Crane) is enough.
Mining drones are important though.
For M miners you don't need any mining turrets at all, they barely do anything to improve your mining speed (not that it matters, the other turrets don't do much either).

- cargo hold generally beats speed unless there's a large difference - the Sentinel miners outperform their Vanguard counterparts in most circumstances.

- best L miner is the Chthonios Sentinel (or the new Donia, haven't tested that one yet), the Crane Sentinel is actually second place and better than both Magnetar variants.
The Wyvern and Hokkaido are last place by a fairly wide margin (~25% slower than the Chthonios).

- best M miner is the Plutus Sentinel, followed by the Drill Sentinel and Manorina Sentinel, the Plutus Vanguard only comes in 4th place. The Bolo and Alligator are last place and again ~20-25% worse than the Plutus Sentinel.

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Squashie:

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

the screens do tell the story of an enormously huge station with the demand of an entire economy.

they don't tell were the miners mine however...

i fear the station is just so big, the miners just have so few nearby recources to mine and even have to go vast distances that this allone is causing the shortages.

judging by the background i assume the Station is in Memory of Profit... there should be plenty of resources in adjecant Sectors ... what bites it self in the rear how ever is that it takes some time to go to them.

Thats the strange part.
Mineral miners go to Nopileos Fortune 2 and seem to mine as normal. It's just far away.
Gas miners HOWEVER, go to 18 billion and are extremely slow to collect gas. It's says that they don't have any active gas drones deployed and it takes 15 sec in SETA to mine 5 units of gas. Is that Normal?

how deep have you explored the asteroid / gas band in 18 Billion?
i know there are various pockets that contain sufficient ammounts of almost everything...

regarding your gas miners... while OOS its not important how many drones they pretend to use.. as long as they are on the ship they get used.

anway.. back to the resource zone belt... if you only have marked a few spots for your miners (and you have a staggering lot of them) it is possible to exhaust such spots... that would explain the long times to mine.

establish more mining spots in 18 billion, explore the band (you will be surprised how far it goes) and that should help your miners... i am uncertain how much it will help but it should.

[veryinky]

Originally posted by blackphoenixx:

Most of this is wrong or outdated.

And what you write is exaggeration and hyperbole.

Nobody's talking about medium miners, it's not the topic at hand. You agree that mining turrets increase mining speed but quibble about how much they help. The rest can be discarded as baseless opinion; too situational or dependent on how you play to be considered useful advice. Speed beats cargo in most circumstances anyways, unless the ratio is too great.

[blackphoenixx]

Originally posted by veryinky:

Originally posted by blackphoenixx:

Most of this is wrong or outdated.

And what you write is exaggeration and hyperbole.

Nobody's talking about medium miners, it's not the topic at hand. You agree that mining turrets increase mining speed but quibble about how much they help. The rest can be discarded as baseless opinion; too situational or dependent on how you play to be considered useful advice. Speed beats cargo in most circumstances anyways, unless the ratio is too great.

What i posted is what i've confirmed with ingame testing. As in actually sitting down with a stopwatch, testing different mining ships and configurations and using math instead of gut feeling and hearsay.

The Sentinel miners outperform the Vanguard miners. The Teladi miners are better than the Argon, Split and Terran ones.
Putting mining turrets in the M slots instead of just using an L mining turret increases mining speed by less than 2% - as in "a difference so small you barely notice it".
You're getting a better return from keeping the ability to kill khaak instead.