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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 1, 2021 @ 2:12pm
Winwing Orion throttle not detected
I just got my Winwing Orion throttle and X4 will not detect it, this and my VKB gunfighter are the only thing I have plugged in controller wise and that is working and detected.

Edit: Alright so you must use the SimAppPro software from Winwing to make a virtual profile off all the axis, and up to 32 buttons as this is the amount X$ can handle per device, and when you create the 32 button inputs, you must change them from whatever number it says it is virtually to one between 1-32. After that, this works perfect now, minus some 3 way switches atm due to the button limitation but there may be a workaround to that. Thanks to all who helped especially FunkynutZ
Last edited by Tunnelsnakessss; Dec 7, 2021 @ 10:53pm
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Originally posted by Dusty443:
Tunnelsnakessss:

I realize I'm a tad late to the party, but this is what I found that finally worked (for me at least) while upgrading my flight gear foe Elite Dangerous.

Winwing Plug-n-Pray 2.0

1. Unplug everything EXCEPT for your mouse and keyboard.
2. Reboot your PC.
3. Uninstall SimAppPro - do NOT delete the program, you will be reinstalling it..
4. Reboot..
5. Install SimAppPro as ADMINISTRATOR.
6. Finish install and close program.
7. Find the shortcut it put on your desktop, right click on it and click on Properties.
8. Click on COMPATIBILITY, CHECK the box @Run this program as Administrator.
9. Click OK.
10. Reboot..
11. Open SimAppPro via shortcut.
12. ONE AT AT A TIME.. plug-in you joystick - it "should" show-up in SimAppPro. If not.. you messed up somewhere, start over.
13. Plug-in your throttle - it "should" show-up in SimAppPro.
14. After they show-up in SimAppPro - click on the blue squares one @ a time and update the firmware for each.
15. Then click on the blue squares one @ a time and CALIBRATE each controller.
16. Then click on the blue squares one @ a time and TEST each controller and SAVE the results on your PC.
17. Then click on the blue squares one @ a time and click on the square that says "32-button mode" and put each controller into 32-button mode.
18. Exit/close SimAppPro and..
19. Reboot (last time - I swear!!)
20. Open SimAppPro and everything should be good to go!

Now you can add all the other USB stuff to your OTHER hub and leave this one alone. Trust me, if you begin to add-back all your old crap after going through all this just to get your new toys up and runnin'..

If at anytime you lose connection to your WW stuff, or SimAppPro freezes or something else happens.. unplug everything and start back at Step 10 - and send all that superfluous bs to a new hub.

Hope it helps!

(I've only used SimAppPro a little and I already don't like it..)
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funkynutz Dec 1, 2021 @ 7:39pm 
Is it detected in windows?

Have you disabled Steams controller input thingy?
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 1, 2021 @ 10:08pm 
Yes to both
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funkynutz Dec 2, 2021 @ 2:09am 
Are you using any sort of configuration software with the throttle (like Thrustmaster have TARGET, I'm assuming the Winwing device comes with something similar)?

Try again after disabling/uninstalling it if you are.

I know the game accepts multiple devices. I'm using a VKB Gladiator NXT, with a CH Pro Throttle CH products really aren't worth their price tag lol and Thrustmaster pedals.

Is gamepad mode turned off in the game settings? That seems to cause a delay in devices being recognised when it's turned on.
Last edited by funkynutz; Dec 2, 2021 @ 2:24am
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 2, 2021 @ 2:02pm 
I have trued with gamepad mode turned off and I can try uninstalling Winwing's Simapppro I believe its called software.
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 2, 2021 @ 9:16pm 
No dice unfortunately
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funkynutz Dec 4, 2021 @ 8:13am 
Bugger...

One last idea... Reinstall the software. Run it as admin and get it setup, run the game as admin as well...

Purely guess work at this point, if I think of any other ideas I'll let you know.

Another idea (yay): Are your devices connected to a usb hub, or directly to the PC? If it's a hub: is it a powered hub, and does it support usb2.0 or 3.0?
Last edited by funkynutz; Dec 4, 2021 @ 8:16am
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 4, 2021 @ 8:20pm 
Got it will try and thank you for all your support i really appreciate it
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 4, 2021 @ 8:20pm 
A hub and 3.0
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funkynutz Dec 5, 2021 @ 8:15am 
Originally posted by Cheesers:
A hub and 3.0

Is it a powered hub (has it's own power lead), or just a regular hub (just a USB lead)? I've seen a lot of users on Elite Dangerous have problems with some devices using regular hubs. That's usually solved by replacing the hub with a powered version, or by plugging the devices directly into the motherboard USB sockets.

I'm actually using an unpowered USB C to 3.0 Hub myself (USB C can handle higher power draw): https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07PV66G2S (just linking this as it's the one I'm using, and I know it works with my setup of multiple devices).,

My old USB 2.0 hub (also unpowered because I've lost the power brick lol) couldn't hack it. It throws up loads of USB device errors if I plug anything more power hungry than a thumbstick in.
Last edited by funkynutz; Dec 5, 2021 @ 8:34am
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funkynutz Dec 5, 2021 @ 8:31am 
Might also be worth checking your motherboard manufacturers website for chipset/usb driver updates.
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 5, 2021 @ 7:04pm 
Powered hub https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Q3TYF15/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1, and I'm using an ASUS ROG Z390-E that's up to date on all its drivers through its own app called Armoury Crate
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funkynutz Dec 6, 2021 @ 2:49am 
OK, try swapping a few things around the hub. And turn off the ones you aren't using.

If that doesn't work, try hooking up the throttle directly to a motherboard USB instead.
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 7, 2021 @ 7:37pm 
Nothing so far unfortunately
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Tunnelsnakessss Dec 7, 2021 @ 10:53pm 
Alright so you must use the SimAppPro software from Winwing to make a virtual profile off all the axis, and up to 32 buttons as this is the amount X4 can handle per device, and when you create the 32 button inputs, you must change them from whatever number it says it is virtually to one between 1-32. After that, this works perfect now, minus some 3 way switches atm due to the button limitation but there may be a workaround to that. Thanks to all who helped especially FunkynutZ
Last edited by Tunnelsnakessss; Apr 2, 2022 @ 2:19pm
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funkynutz Dec 8, 2021 @ 8:46pm 
There should be a way around the 32 button limit...

Can you set the virtual device to use DirecInput instead of Xinput? That should get you up to 128 possible buttons.

Failing that, use the software to map keyboard keys to the buttons that don't register?
Last edited by funkynutz; Dec 8, 2021 @ 8:56pm
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