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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:17am
Wait, what? No gambling?
A big pump for visiting the casino, but I cannot gamble?

Please, please tell me I am missing something!
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Originally posted by OZZO:
phahahahahaha, this is just silly. WHY did you come up with a casino where you can't play?! Egosoft, this is so silly! LOL

I understand that you may be under some laws but WHY did you do this castrated version of a casino then when you could have made any other space facility?

eMYNOCK's explanation honestly just made it worse. Guys, don't call it a casino please. Call it a space bar, whatever...
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Ydyp Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:23am 
you are missing gambling laws in certain countries this game is sold I guess. As some are pretty strict and don't even allow simulated gambling even if it is only done with the game currency and no connection to real money.
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The Hat Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:26am 
Hopefully a modder can add a few games. Dice. Lottery. Roulette. Blackjack. Simple games.
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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:29am 
Originally posted by Ydyp:
you are missing gambling laws in certain countries this game is sold I guess. As some are pretty strict and don't even allow simulated gambling even if it is only done with the game currency and no connection to real money.

You're missing the point me thinks. They advertised a CASINO, of COURSE there will be gambling!

And there is no law in any country against betting non-real currency in a game as long as it doesn't touch actual currency (like lock boxes for example), saying that is absurd.
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DICKENS CIDER Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:50am 
Originally posted by Grundy:
Originally posted by Ydyp:
you are missing gambling laws in certain countries this game is sold I guess. As some are pretty strict and don't even allow simulated gambling even if it is only done with the game currency and no connection to real money.

You're missing the point me thinks. They advertised a CASINO, of COURSE there will be gambling!

And there is no law in any country against betting non-real currency in a game as long as it doesn't touch actual currency (like lock boxes for example), saying that is absurd.

https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/
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Arcturus Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:53am 
As far as I was aware the gambling laws only forbid betting of real life currency such as random lootboxes and containers. The gambling laws should have no affect on a game which is using in-game currency to bet. Like others have said it said it game that you could use it to make credits, if you can't why even have that line in...

As a veteran player of the series I am extremely disappointed that the casino is just basically a buff for increasing workforce growth and not a passive source of income which can be added to station or used by the player to make some money to help start them out.
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eMYNOCK  [developer] Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:56am 
I make it short... allowing Players to Gamble, and be it just for inGame Credits, would make it mandatory to change the Age Rating according to German Laws.

For anyone who does not knows, Egosoft is a German Company, lies within Germany and has, in conclusion, abide to German Laws.
Last edited by eMYNOCK; Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:57am
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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 5:58am 
Originally posted by LUCKY STALKER:
Originally posted by Grundy:

You're missing the point me thinks. They advertised a CASINO, of COURSE there will be gambling!

And there is no law in any country against betting non-real currency in a game as long as it doesn't touch actual currency (like lock boxes for example), saying that is absurd.

https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/

Nowhere in that article you posted proves that in game gambling is illegal.

Please do not waste my time with ignorance and useless links.
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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:00am 
Originally posted by eMYNOCK:
I make it short... allowing Players to Gamble, and be it just for inGame Credits, would make it mandatory to change the Age Rating according to German Laws.

For anyone who does not knows, Egosoft is a German Company, lies within Germany and has, in conclusion, abide to German Laws.

Sorry, but I disagree. There is no German law restricting this mechanic in your game as long as we, the customer, do not using real life currency.

I love your games, but you are simply wrong in this regard and you should of not added a casino in your game that does not allow us to play mini games and you know it.
Last edited by Father President; Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:01am
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eMYNOCK  [developer] Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:01am 
look for the German "Jugendschutzgesetz"
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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:04am 
Originally posted by eMYNOCK:
look for the German "Jugendschutzgesetz"

I don't need to.

You could of implemented a mechanic that would allow us to 'spin a wheel' daily for potential prizes without any gambling interaction (i.e. GT5).

There are many different ways you could of implemented mini games that do not break any laws, but you didn't. You added a casino in game and even put in the work to advertise it IN GAME, yet give us no interaction with this structure.

It simply ignorant and annoys me as a long term customer.
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Father President Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:05am 
Originally posted by Ydyp:
you are missing gambling laws in certain countries this game is sold I guess. As some are pretty strict and don't even allow simulated gambling even if it is only done with the game currency and no connection to real money.


Link me the law that states this. It can be in any language.

The law you speak of was passed in 1951 and has no merit in the digital realm.
Last edited by Father President; Mar 16, 2022 @ 9:04am
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0utlaw Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:06am 
That has to be something someone can mod in, would be cool a bar/casino with dancing girls etc..
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GraveDigger Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by eMYNOCK:
I make it short... allowing Players to Gamble, and be it just for inGame Credits, would make it mandatory to change the Age Rating according to German Laws.

For anyone who does not knows, Egosoft is a German Company, lies within Germany and has, in conclusion, abide to German Laws.

Would a symbolic 0,5€ DLC be a possibility to circumvent and implement this?
This is basically what Creative Assembly does with their "Blood and Gore DLC" (well, they actually charge more which I think is absurdily high).

For example: Total War: Three Kingdoms is rated for 12 but their DLC with the blood effects is rated for 16.

So the idea is to add a 0,5€ (or 0,1€, or 1€, whatever arbitrary price of your choosing), DLC to add the gambling mechanic.
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lnomsim Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:08am 
"Are you the lucky one?"

Apparently not... sad.
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eMYNOCK  [developer] Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:08am 
there may be many different ways... one of wich would be allowing a Modder to do it.

all other ways would require a change of the Age Rating.

this is not up to debate, i don't make the Laws.


how ever, i wish you good luck convincing my government to change them... some of them are medieval.
Last edited by eMYNOCK; Mar 16, 2022 @ 6:10am
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