XEN dominate every time?

[dryerflyer]

In my first game. 36+ hours into it and Xenon are about to wipe out ARG and ANT. Is this normal? I thought I'd be able to do a comfy turtle with some lovely economic learning.
Where are all the ARG destroyers? ANT destroyers? 3x K Destroyers just showed up at the Wharf in Argon Prime. It sounds like it is time to start a new game. I built up in The Reach and if Argon Prime falls, it's all over for me.

[McKillerroy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von rubyismycat:

in my current game a no cheating game i might add i got a branch 9 destroyer and a k attack i have no reputation high enough to buy capital ships of any kind and trying to attack with 5 argon novas and a katana ended in me taking a nice long spacewalk couldnt even make a dent in their shields

You can take out K's with a pack of S ships.

I had 40 S Pulsar equipped with very basic MK1 modules. 1 ship cost ~1million.
With those I kill Xenon K OOS (out of sector) in 20 seconds without a single ship lost.

[XIII]

Man I wish my Xenons were that powerful. Mine are constantly beating up the Split, but only managed to take a single sector after 150 or so hours...

[Andros]

I’m struggling I made the mistake to base my operations out of the silent sector next to argon prime and boy we losing… slowly it’s insane the ammount of XEN that come through that gate we need to block the way with a defense station but I need a fleet first and we’ll my income is about 3-4 million an hour and I can’t afford it any assistance?

[D55]

We all play differently but you could probably hold that gate with a Rattlesnake and some laser towers, to get a Rattlenake i would set up an alert and find a FAF one and board it then go get a load out i was happy with and some laser towers.
I normally build a defence station at Hat 1 on the gate to Tharkas and that will stop the Xenon but really you will need around 40 mill and access to L Par Plasma and enough Turret components to get it built as quickly as possible.
While all of this is going on try supply the Argon shipyard and keep your fingers crossed for a Terran expedition force to arrive.
If you`re a good pilot you could probably make do with an M class ship and get a smaller ship to keep putting down laser towers.
Hat 1 is always an issue and as its a major route you need to consider defending that gate early or be far enough away from it that its not an issue.

[Andros]

40 mill station? Good lord… I can probably manage a 10 mill one it’s not too bad yet still kinda early on in the game, ugh I picked a horrible place I’ve got a hull parts/ore/methane factory there rip, is there a way to sell stations? Is moving an option? I’m almost to rank 20 with argon to buy a carrier or battleship or whatever its called would that be enough?

[ArcticISAF]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Andros:

I’m struggling I made the mistake to base my operations out of the silent sector next to argon prime and boy we losing… slowly it’s insane the ammount of XEN that come through that gate we need to block the way with a defense station but I need a fleet first and we’ll my income is about 3-4 million an hour and I can’t afford it any assistance?

I don't know how much help you'd like, but I think I'd recommend boosting your total income first. Easiest way (that I find) is to set up miners to local automine, where they can dump off their ore/silicon/methane etc. in the same sector as stations. Can recommend certain areas, but don't want to spoil too much if you don't want it.

For the xenon, I'm still learning on this run (16 hours in) as to how to deal with them, as they seem to be quite a fair bit stronger. I think I would go for a destroyer over a station myself, for the mobility and utility of it. Stations take some time to set up, along with good number of blueprints/resources to just set it up well. Ships to guard as it's building. If you see the ai fighting nearby with the xenon, can always send in the destroyer to help take the xenon out. Might have to pick and choose your battles here.

Worst case scenario, you can take the run as a 'watch the galaxy burn' . I'm really impressed with how crazy the xenon are pushing. Like they have three defence platforms in Hatikvak's Choice, among some others (haven't scouted everywhere). Exactly the challenge I wanted, but damn. The ships overall seem to be a bit stronger too, fighting them in person.

[Set-115689]

Destroy the supply chain then the stations with a few captured destroyers. Supporting the Terrans also helps since they send fleets every where. Can do other stuff also.

[Bad Sam]

I wish the Xenon would not be that strong in my game. I dont have enough money or resources to build a fleet. The Xenon are even too strong for all the races. They re taking sector after sector and I cannot do nothing against that. I don t want to start a new game after all my progress. Just losing my time. I even tried to install the "Larger Fleet mod" with edited job file for less xenon but seems not working..

[Set-115689]

Drop laser tower clusters by the gates while out of sector. It will effect your fps though.

[SirProsik]

Loaded up a much older game probably started in 3.0 and playing in current version. I get 4 k's frequently in Hat1 from Tharka's and singles to Hat1 from Argon Prime. From Wretched skies a steady stream of 15 p's plus m's and n's through Morning Star. Nothing exists north of Heretic's. Have not seen a single Asguard only Tokyo carriers. Zyarth is down to 2 sectors Open market is yellow but only for the moment. Two grand is barely yellow too. Hewa's Twin 1 is back and forth currently xenon though. Hop took Faulty logic 1 but can not expand because xenon hold Faulty Logic VII. Saw 2 I's and lots of K's when I went to get the Oddy there.

xenon were definitely boosted in 5.0. Not complaining at all though.

No mods here BTW.

[Kalh]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad Sam:

I wish the Xenon would not be that strong in my game. I dont have enough money or resources to build a fleet. The Xenon are even too strong for all the races. They re taking sector after sector and I cannot do nothing against that. I don t want to start a new game after all my progress. Just losing my time. I even tried to install the "Larger Fleet mod" with edited job file for less xenon but seems not working..

I would advice to get into boarding, it's a good way to build a fleet quick to hold the Xenon. If you struggle with boarding mechanic there is a ton of youtube videos about it.

[degasi]

My run is pretty boring atm (150 hours). When I got a Syn at the beginning, I took out some K's and I's here and there. (Maybe 6-7 K and 3 I)
Because I didn't wanted them to roll over the sectors early. But I stopped long ago.
Now the factions are a little stronger, and handle them by themselfes (sadly).

The factions fight each other very very very rarely. With small fleets. (I support them with everything, so they could build way more ships if they wanted)

PAR and ANT have build factorys in HOP sectors... even they are at war...
Terrans flying everywhere, but only attack xenon sometimes. Ignoring all others.
Split are at war with each other, but don't fight.
Teladi liking everyone.
Argons sitting in their sectors doing nothing.
One Split sector changed to Xenon, that's all.

Almost all storylines done (every faction decisions made, for profit ^^ ). Money is flowing.

I know you could control the factions (cutting supplies for factions and stuff), but that you need to do that, so the AI is not falling into winter sleep...

[Artur]

In all of my games (those Im playing without Xenon hell mod) I have to literally babysit xenons, helping them to build at least something that would look like a treat.
But that could be because of Terran dlc. Terans completely overpowered.
They alone have almost twice stronger fleets then xenons by default.

[Kalh]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Artur:

In all of my games (those Im playing without Xenon hell mod) I have to literally babysit xenons, helping them to build at least something that would look like a treat.
But that could be because of Terran dlc. Terans completely overpowered.
They alone have almost twice stronger fleets then xenons by default.

That's weird , in my game , except for the Asgard intervention fleet , the Terran fleets are getting wiped by Xenons, either because of 1 I destroying fleets with like 4-5 osaka/syn in Getsu Fune (solved the problem by destroying the xenon sectors near it). Or the Tokyo intervention fleet trying to destroy a Xenon defense station and getting reckt.

[ayrtep]

Sounds fun, if the xenon have been given a boost maybe I will try another X4 game.