trading station with a prod station ? or a prod station that does trading too ?

[anguelwyvern]

ok so here is my question, i ve seen multiple time (youtube or reddit) ppl saying that a "trading station" shouldnt prod her own stuff, either buy cheap, or import from prod station

ok its all good and all, my problem is as follow, i made 2 station, a beautifull trading station, and a prod that got a lot (silicon waffers, refined metal quantum tubes, turret/weapon/shield component, claytronics, hulls parts etc etc etc)
the problem is that the trader ships assigned to both station are going to fill up the trading station, just once in a while staying idle , for a good 5 min (got a good 10 just for transfering goods) and when they FINALLY decide to wake up, they grab like 1/10th of theyre full inventory ...

its really aggravating because the prod station stopped producing because all L container are full, and yet the trading one still need to be filled up (missing 90%)
why is this happening ? why cant the trader just go on and on ?

so here the second question regarding this problem (massiv problem!) why isnt it better to make a production station INSIDE a trade station ?what is the "confusing the manager" issue that many ppl say ?

[Gregorovitch]

To get your production station to sell it's wares to your trade station you need to manipulate the sell and buy orders at each station correctly.

The simplest way to do this is to:

1. Set the sell orders for each ware on the production station to "my faction only" and manually set the sell price to minimum.

2. Set the buy order at the trade station for each ware to "my faction only" and set the price manually to say 15% above minimum.

3. Set the sell order at the trade station for each ware to "no restrictions" and set the price manually to a number a few credits lower than most of the customers within range are generally paying - you should consult the trade overlay on the map to judge this and be prepared to experiment and reevaluate pricing policy.

Once you get these settings right then the production station traders will ship all the production station's wares to the trade stations with no problem providing of course it is within range.

[anguelwyvern]

i already did that (followed a youtube video on the subject), but still the issue off having the trader ship moving the wares whenever it please him, and nearly always 1/10th of a full cargo

tbh why isnt there a "command" or setting or anything that just say "grab everything from point A and bring it to point B, i feel like it is extremly complicated for not much ...

[Gregorovitch]

Have you given the trade station a budget to work with? Has it got enough storage allocated for the wares you want to it to buy from the production station?

It can seem insanely complicated when dealing with an initial simple case like this. There is a way to do it simply by using a standalone unassigned trade ship using Repeat Order but that has the disadvantage that it's inflexible and requires constant updating if circumstances change.

The reason why it works the way it does is so a production station can supply any number of your own stations and/or sell to NPC stations as well if you want it to efficiently according to demand. Once you figure out the details it's extremely flexible and enables you to do more or less less anything you want it to automatically according to your wishes/orders.

You will see the value of this as your empire expands, it works very well once you get it set up right.

[Inkarnus]

Originally posted by anguelwyvern:

i already did that (followed a youtube video on the subject), but still the issue off having the trader ship moving the wares whenever it please him, and nearly always 1/10th of a full cargo

tbh why isnt there a "command" or setting or anything that just say "grab everything from point A and bring it to point B, i feel like it is extremly complicated for not much ...

there is a repeat order loop its a bit basic but can do the job.

Personally i use trade station just to export excess works far better.
Set the Buy price to low (not too low Trade station AI wants to make a profit) and restrict trade to you and sell price to you and your liking, if i want to sell fast i just leave it on auto. additionally you can forbid your traders selling wares by restriction the ware to yourself but not the other races (trade rule). This works fine for me and i like it that way too.

[anguelwyvern]

im sorry, i tryed i swear i really tryed to make it work, but im going to download a mod, that make moving stuff between station easier, this is just pure madness, i can set the trade rule to whatever it wants (my stations only), set the price at minimum or up to 15% or whatever i want (im bashing my head for the last 4 hrs on it) it just doesnt works !(and yes station have money (even if i think its stupid to even give money to my station to just move stuff between my own property ..., like asking for a salary when i move my water bottle from my fridge to my dining table ...)

it is far far FAR too complicated for not much, a simple command saying "take all stuff from point a and bring to point B" would have been so soooo much simpler but no ...

downloading a mod, this is just pure madness ...

[Sungod1]

Most of the time.. when I get to the point of looking into station efficiency... I am already so rich I could careless.

[Inkarnus]

Originally posted by anguelwyvern:

im sorry, i tryed i swear i really tryed to make it work, but im going to download a mod, that make moving stuff between station easier, this is just pure madness, i can set the trade rule to whatever it wants (my stations only), set the price at minimum or up to 15% or whatever i want (im bashing my head for the last 4 hrs on it) it just doesnt works !(and yes station have money (even if i think its stupid to even give money to my station to just move stuff between my own property ..., like asking for a salary when i move my water bottle from my fridge to my dining table ...)

it is far far FAR too complicated for not much, a simple command saying "take all stuff from point a and bring to point B" would have been so soooo much simpler but no ...

downloading a mod, this is just pure madness ...

Trading station traders are quite uncommon they want to make a profit. I work with them like this.
giving them several M traders else they will prefer to buy biggest profit maker.

Setting all my factories in the loop to sell only to me and the factorys to auto with atleast 1 L cargo storage. The trading station gets to set that they only buy from me but at low-medium prices dont set it to the lowest the managers dont like that al all.
For selling in the trading stations i either restrict myself so npc buy it (keep it on autoprice) or let everybody accesss it so the trading station acts as additional buffer till my factorys are full. Keep in mind you need excess production for this to work and its designed for a closed loop. SInce its the easyst to work with. Its a simple buffer overflow situation and should work rocksolid