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LordDeimosIV 2021 年 3 月 20 日 下午 7:55
Stutter every 1 minute. Any solutions?
Every 1 minute the game stutters. This happens when the game is running no matter what I'm doing. While the game is paused the stutter doesn't happen.

Specs:
Ryzen 7 2700 (no overclock)
GTX 1080 Ti (No overclock, latest drivers when I first discoverd the issues, installed older drives issue is still there)
32 GB ram (default timings)
Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Build 19042)
Windows and the game are installed on SSD's


I recently reinstalled windows. All drivers are up to date since I went to my motherboard manufacturers website after I installed windows and installed all the latest drivers.

Some solutions that didn't work that I found using google:
- Live wallpaper updating every minute could cause the issue. I don't have live wallpaper active.

- Windows Defender Real-time protection could cause this issue. Tried tuning it off (it's back on now) and it didn't fix the issue.

- Apps in the background could be responsible so I disabled stuff like Uplay, my plex server and Logitech GHUB. Still no dice. Not a lot of background apps since this is a fresh install.

- I tried different GPU drivers and the problem still persists.

I finally decided to boot up my laptop which I don't use anymore to at least see if the issue is present on that system. It's an Intel i7 4720HQ, GTX 950M, 8GB ram, Windows 10 64-bit build 18362. Running at 720 low settings 60 fps, to my disappointment the problem was on that machine as well. I am at a loss as to what to do to be honest. I don't remember this being a problem for me before the newest expansion (I might be wrong). Does anyone else have this issue at all? I was really looking forward to taking a deep dive into this game now but this stutter issue is ruining my immersion.
最後修改者:LordDeimosIV; 2021 年 3 月 20 日 下午 7:59
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Kajzer 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 10:22 
Apart from Steam and the AVG antivirus running, there is nothing else in the background.
As I haven't changed any hardware recently or even installed any new software before running CoH I doubt it's hardware / software fault but ... you never know;)
Stryderunknown 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:02 
With steam you might try disabling the in-game overlay (if you haven't already)

I tend to turn off any form of Streaming, it's not that I don't want people seeing my gameplay, it's more down to knowing that doing so is going to consume some resources and in the past (on a different rig some years back) cause crashes.

Refresh Rate is also a potential consideration if the one in your Display Settings > Advanced Display Settings isn't exactly the same as your monitor it can cause issues.

Along with the setting in the game settings for Adaptive VSync (I'd try turning that off).

I'd also try using the default High setting rather than a customised version (With the Maximum LOD/Effect Distance) for the game and see if it makes any difference.

Hopefully some of these suggestions will help, if it doesn't then it just rules things out further as to where the fault is.
最後修改者:Stryderunknown; 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:12
rasabt 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:27 
the most noteworthy change with 4.0 and CoH (graficaly) was the volumnetric fog,
which is not very well optimized, but that wouldn't cause issues like you describe.
also the auto-save-function is known to cause issues, but again not a 1 minute stutter.
then you could also try to disable map or mini-map features: some of the map-features cost ressources like you wouldn't believe.

did you set windows on 7 days update-pause and checked similiar programms (i guess you haven debloated your win) with telemetry or auto-update?

what would be interesting to me is if you get the same issue with similiar CPU/GPU heavy games or benchmarks? well not just CPU/GPU, but from your detailed describtion i gather you already know what you are doing.
Bert (已封鎖) 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:43 
引用自 Captiva
Like others, I am getting the lag that kicks in after an hour or so of play, but I have not been getting stutters like you are.

If it is doing it on 2 completely unconnected pc's, then I would start with finding what is the same on both and go from there. A program... or something that is the same on both.

I am using the older ryzen 1700 and a 4gb amd fury gpu. I also feel like this was an issue for me years ago and I cannot remember how I fixed it, so it possibly could be a ryzen issue of some kind. Or maybe I am remembering wrong.

You cant get "Lag" in a single player game....

Stutters / bad frametimes ≠ Lag
最後修改者:Bert; 2021 年 3 月 29 日 上午 11:45
Kajzer 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 12:33 
Thanks for all the tips, I really appreciate it.

1.) Steam Overlay - to be honest, I forgot about it completely, but after turning it off - no changes
2.) Adaptive Sync - I've already tried to turn it off completely - no difference
3.) High preset - no difference
4.) Win auto update disabled / no telemetry or something similar
5.) Volumetric fog - that was also my first thought ... but no difference
6.) Map filters - tried with all turned off - no change

I also tried:
- use of other power plans
- setting the priority to the highest in the task manager
- core affinity changes

;)

I also read somewhere that some additional devices can be troublesome (because I use Saitek X52) - but again there is no difference.

"what would be interesting to me is if you get the same issue with similiar CPU/GPU heavy games or benchmarks?"

Hmm, recently - from "high demanding" games - there will be Kingdom Come: Deliverance / IL-2 Sturmovik, but there is no problem with them

For now this stutter is minimal to be honest - and I can play with it, but as it's already visible at the beginning of the game, I'm afraid it will get much worse later.

This stuttering haunts me;) First because of the 3.3 mods (I did - let's say - a benchmark to know what my computer can handle), but it was sorted out and everything worked fine. So I was convinced that all will be well also with CoH, but hey! there is always something ;)

I have not only tried to update the BIOS, but - from previous experiences - I don't update the BIOS when the system is stable and there are no "big reasons" to do so.
最後修改者:Kajzer; 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 12:42
ScythianUA 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 1:54 
引用自 Kajzer
I have not only tried to update the BIOS, but - from previous experiences - I don't update the BIOS when the system is stable and there are no "big reasons" to do so.
try for lulz
srsly...
just try...
i would even recommend if you have integrated audio on motherboard - try to use it instead of audiocard...again...if it will work you will laugh to death...
最後修改者:ScythianUA; 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 1:58
hydlided 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 2:29 
When it comes to external audio cards, they can often lead to an issue. I myself have this often related to DAWs (digital audio workstation), while playing games I never use the external audio card. Because of buffer overruns.

The main issue I have discovered is that external audiocards can often lead to buffer issues. This is in relation to: bus speed, I/O of the CPU / memory speed and everything that is related for sending a single 'noise' from memory to the audio card.

The issue I often had: when buffering is 'wrong', the IRQ (interupt requests) go through the roof ("give me data... give me data") which would then lead to constant 'sound interupts'.

A lot of these issues can be solved using something called "Asio drivers". But these often do not work well with games.

Anyhow, with this part of the knowledge splattered on the internet, I would totally recommend using the onboard soundcard and test case if you have an issue that way. If that works, you can narrow down on looking into buffer states of an external sound card (there is tons of info about it, I would recommend taking asperin though).

Since motherboards often overcome the buffering status because they talk very well with each other (thanx to north bridges and such).

When the onboard card doesn't work, I would look into what each processor is doing (since the graph that was posted is the overal cpu load, not individual cores). ProcessExplorer (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer) can be a handy tool for such a thing.
最後修改者:hydlided; 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 2:34
Stryderunknown 2021 年 3 月 29 日 下午 8:36 
引用自 Kajzer
Thanks for all the tips, I really appreciate it.

1.) Steam Overlay - to be honest, I forgot about it completely, but after turning it off - no changes
2.) Adaptive Sync - I've already tried to turn it off completely - no difference
3.) High preset - no difference
4.) Win auto update disabled / no telemetry or something similar
5.) Volumetric fog - that was also my first thought ... but no difference
6.) Map filters - tried with all turned off - no change

I also tried:
- use of other power plans
- setting the priority to the highest in the task manager
- core affinity changes

;)

I also read somewhere that some additional devices can be troublesome (because I use Saitek X52) - but again there is no difference.

"what would be interesting to me is if you get the same issue with similiar CPU/GPU heavy games or benchmarks?"

Hmm, recently - from "high demanding" games - there will be Kingdom Come: Deliverance / IL-2 Sturmovik, but there is no problem with them

For now this stutter is minimal to be honest - and I can play with it, but as it's already visible at the beginning of the game, I'm afraid it will get much worse later.

This stuttering haunts me;) First because of the 3.3 mods (I did - let's say - a benchmark to know what my computer can handle), but it was sorted out and everything worked fine. So I was convinced that all will be well also with CoH, but hey! there is always something ;)

I have not only tried to update the BIOS, but - from previous experiences - I don't update the BIOS when the system is stable and there are no "big reasons" to do so.

While it can be infuriating to try things that don't work, as suggested you should be closer to an answer.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth ~ Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Tbh, your screenshots didn't really suggest any major hiccup to CPU or GPU creating such stutters.

If you want to delve deeper into what your system is doing then you could use Resmon (Resource Monitor) to get a better picture compared to just Task Manager. Resmon should already be available on your OS, so you can type it in the windows search or just use a run command for it to run.

I'd setup a Second Desktop (Ctrl + Window key + D) with resmon running on when you fullscreen into X4 on the other one. (Navigate back and forth with Ctrl + Window key + left or right arrow.) This should mean you can then see whats going on.

As for further things to test it just leaves just peripherals and the soundcard, but I assume you've ruled both out.

One last thing that is different between 3.3 and 4.x is ventures being disabled, although I'm not sure how that would tie into micro stutters but it's something to consider.
Kajzer 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 4:20 
Since I connected the external sound card - it was about 3 years ago - I haven't had a single issue with the sound. I constantly listen to the Spotify/Foobar while playing and am very 'sensitive' to any audio cracking/popping.

Also, stuttering doesn't affect the in-game audio (I first played with the original music from CoH).

But I tried with the in-game audio off and the card disconnected - no change. I even updated the BIOS a while ago - no changes.

;)

Here is the info from ProcesExplorer (it was a bit clearer compared to that from resmon), on the second screen I marked in red the moment when the stutter occured:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1os-gnE28JApGvbgZBx1JZgABYao5hZ11/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1APaH9Ll1Ablrk3-qFJH8g7tBYEuK4B6O/view?usp=sharing
Stryderunknown 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 6:46 
Have you tried resetting the shader cache in Adrenalin? (Settings > Graphics > Advanced: Reset Shader Cache)
It's possible that its corrupted since the update and needs to be recalculated.
LordDeimosIV 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 6:54 
Sorry I haven't been able to respond. Just got back to work after a 1 year furlough so I've been busy with that.

- When testing to see if it was a wif-fi issue I disconnected my usb wi-fi dongle entirely. The stutters were still there.

- Audio drivers are up to date. I went to the ASUS website after re-installing windows and downloaded and installed all the latest drives for audio, usb and chipset.

- I have one of the latest bios. I decided not to install the newest which includes support for AMD Ryzen 4th gen. My motherboard supports 2nd gen fine without that update.

I already tried turning setting down to low, still no dice.

I will try turning off steam overlay and removing all peripherals except mouse and keyboard.

Thank you for all the suggestions!

最後修改者:LordDeimosIV; 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 6:54
Kajzer 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 7:57 
引用自 Stryderunknown
Have you tried resetting the shader cache in Adrenalin? (Settings > Graphics > Advanced: Reset Shader Cache)
It's possible that its corrupted since the update and needs to be recalculated.

It didn't help either :(
Set-115689 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 8:05 
You can try playing the game on Geforce Now. If it stutters there maybe it's something with your save/game maybe?
Kajzer 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 9:04 
Started a new game from scratch on 4.0, and what is more strange, stutter is visible from the very beginning - from the first, second minute. I think that I must get used to it and maybe next patches will change something, if not, well... ;)

Set-115689 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 9:15 
You can cap the fps to 20 in the nvidia control panel max frame rate setting. Turn off v sync to get 20 fps. The game doesn't really need 60 fps. If it stutters then it would be really weird.

Anything like icue, wallpaper engine, etc... running?

press windows key + x and click on settings then go to privacy. In the list on the left scroll down to background apps. Maybe turn some stuff off in there and reboot the pc.

Microsoft one drive could also be stuck in a loop I guess?

Any background recording apps running? Like ones where you press a key combo and it records the last x minutes of gameplay?
最後修改者:Set-115689; 2021 年 3 月 30 日 上午 9:35
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