WTF DRAGOON!!!!

[Vahhn]

i play a dragoon and i LOVE the job.....what i dont love is the ♥♥♥♥ they ALWAYS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ get. WHY!!!!? im in raids and parties and i do fine until i make ONE mistake and suddenly im the worst player in the world meanwhile the healer tank and other dps can ♥♥♥♥ up and drag the whole party down and no one says ♥♥♥♥ but ONLY dragoon get called out and kicked like seriosuly WTF its like too much is expeceted from drg's and its really pissing me o ff that i can do a raid or dungeon without someone criticizing me and im not a bad player i play my job well and i stay alive and do good dmg but i make one mistake and i never hear the end of it any other drg's here get the same prob or have any advice or sumthing to help me out? thanks

[Big Boom Boom]

引用自 xBlackCloudx：

引用自 Number Twenty：

While I was aware of this stereotype prior to maining a Dragoon, I've yet to actually come across it as an insult. During raids, mostly coils, I'm often praised for either my damage or survivability. I've asked about this a few times after we've cleared and apparently there are just a lot of bad Dragoons out there. The only advice I have is to time your jumps accordingly, learn to dodge, and obtain cross-class skills. Everyone makes mistakes, but as a Dragoon you ( should ) have access to bloodbath, second wind, and life surge to correct them.

mind if i ask you for some tips or advice? ill be honest i really only use jumps when im knocked back from ifrit or titan EX help me out?

Learn the Ex primal moveset by heart, then Jump when they are not going to oneshot/knock you off the rail. Jump should be utilise at any chance available, free dps.

You should totally move to JP server, they aren't that rude (or even if they are, I don't know what they are saying hence I don't care). Also plenty of good DF (not PF mind you) that mow down everything available to DF while you learn the rope. Not only that they also give you recommendation AFTER they carried you through the fight, like a boss.

[DJMixer]

You should get some serious gear before jumping into EX primals (meeting the minimum ilv will not be enough). Generally in these EX dun & coil healers don't like wasting casting time on any single dps, if you get injured they will just normally throw a regen at you so better not making any mistake for the next 20 s. FYI, this is the general consensus statement in all FF14 community & the way the game's mechanic is set up:

"if tank dies, it's probably healer's fault, if healer dies, it's probably tank's fault, if dps dies, it's certainly their own faults"

[Felicity]

Don't die?

[McFluffy]

apparently,the whole lolgoon started in ffxi where the dragoons were really bad in the game because they had to rely on their pet so much, if they didnt die or do bad they could just "lolololol" as their pet pretty much did half their work.

when ffxiv started out, if it wasnt the server lag that caused dragoon to be bad it was the fact that when you jumped you were animation locked for around... 1.5 seconds? it was pretty insanse trying to dodge a land slide you litterly just jumped back into, thus causeing them to die a whole lot.

the good dragoons could time their jumps to not use them that would kill them, but most casual dragoons just didnt have time for that, and honestly shouldnt have to, which is why the devs changed the animation lock to be like 1/4 or so what it orginaly was.

it could also be the fact that their full thrust at release was 300, then to buff it went up to 330, now its at like 420 or something stupidly high.

[Asphe]

Think of it as a meme. Remember that in FFXI, '2HR Abilities'... have 2 hour cool downs. And summoning that elongated bat was the DRG's '2HR'. Kinda.

That reptilian counterfeit pigeon was notorious for i) getting aggro then dying and ii) getting AOE'd then dying. Then you're a DRG with a large portion of your usefulness (DPS/Healing) gone. Talk about a glass jaw. Then break it.

When you do comparisons between jobs, the DRG was just fine. IF your flying iguana was alive. Anyway, the 'problem' was fixed after much aggro pet blood fertilized the soil of Vanadiel but the 'LOL, it's a dragon-less DRG!' remained.

Besides... the 'Jump' stuff is flashy isn't it? So not only does it breed resentment from the bleeding but humble PLD or the hard-working and quiet WHM but it just attracts the kind of players... that... speak in COD, so to speak.

Look at me! I can jump really high! Oh! I'm dead. Raise me!

That's why in FFXIV, DRGs don't have that over-the-shoulder-flying-poop-dispenser. They just carry a long stick and try to poke the baddies with the sharper end. (of the STICK... not your helm, you LOLDRG!)

[McFluffy]

引用自 Asphe：

That's why in FFXIV, DRGs don't have that over-the-shoulder-flying-poop-dispenser. They just carry a long stick and try to poke the baddies with the sharper end. (of the STICK... not your helm, you LOLDRG!)

little known fact, a dragoon gets stronger the more spikes he has or the more spikey their armor becomes.

[Asphe]

Which hurts them and the people around them... when they try to rest their brains. As in sit down.

[Neko punch.]

:P if your not the first to die in a fight your Dragoon'in wrong ... lol

[Asphe]

Ladies and trash... I present...

The LOLDRG!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=379943343

Yes, the helmet is in the 'on' position, to keep the brains in. And the dragon poop out. Doesn't work all the time, alas.

You may also notice that there are two dragons in the picture. One on the Pointy Helm and the other... on the Pointy Stick. The LOLDRG got confused one day... but losses are frequent and expected with the LOLDRG.

[Zero Honour]

A disproportionately large number of awful players seem to be loldragoons. Dont pick up adds, don't have LB on their bar, often seem to just stand around staring into space, pull, wander off randomly....

[McFluffy]

引用自 Cerberus：

A disproportionately large number of awful players seem to be loldragoons. Dont pick up adds, don't have LB on their bar, often seem to just stand around staring into space, pull, wander off randomly....

its a melee dps, that looks like it has armor on, uses a 2handed weapon, a big 2 handed weapon, and jumps. everyother class is either not a dps, is a range dps, or just a duel weilding dps.

besides it has jumps, but most cant handle the jump swag, such as using it as soon as it comes off cooldon into about 5 titan plumes.

[Len's]

its the reason i stoped to play that game , dungeon unbalance class role for fighter ,, 2 handed axe man most tank etc wtf .mostly people are impolite or no patient whith new player in dungeon , kick from a dungeon is a pain in the ass , need to wait forever sometime depend of the time ,,

引用自 xBlackCloudx：

i play a dragoon and i LOVE the job.....what i dont love is the ♥♥♥♥ they ALWAYS ♥♥♥♥ing get. WHY!!!!? im in raids and parties and i do fine until i make ONE mistake and suddenly im the worst player in the world meanwhile the healer tank and other dps can ♥♥♥♥ up and drag the whole party down and no one says ♥♥♥♥ but ONLY dragoon get called out and kicked like seriosuly WTF its like too much is expeceted from drg's and its really pissing me o ff that i can do a raid or dungeon without someone criticizing me and im not a bad player i play my job well and i stay alive and do good dmg but i make one mistake and i never hear the end of it any other drg's here get the same prob or have any advice or sumthing to help me out? thanks

[Asphe]

引用自 McFluffy：

its a melee dps, that looks like it has armor on, uses a 2handed weapon, a big 2 handed weapon, and jumps. everyother class is either not a dps, is a range dps, or just a duel weilding dps.

besides it has jumps, but most cant handle the jump swag, such as using it as soon as it comes off cooldon into about 5 titan plumes.

It's a guy thing.

Which DPS would a guy pick? NIN's cute twin breadknives? BRD's "I shoot at your from afar", MNK's "I get in close so I die first to AOE" or DRG "I carry the biggest stick and wear the pointiest armor"

Wouldja NINja?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=381729625
Those knives are SMALL. They just look huge on a Taru (everything does).

The well-dressed BRD
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=381729071
Would you be caught dead wearing that?

Your local Barista
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=381730321
All that power, all that skill... totally cute weapons.

or something that can jump like this
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=378904475

But with a longer, bigger and totally uncut pointy stick. And more clothes*. Pointy ones.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=379943343

*comes with a winged, portable 'mostly white substance' dispenser

引用自 L'enfer：

its the reason i stoped to play that game , dungeon unbalance class role for fighter ,, 2 handed axe man most tank etc wtf .mostly people are impolite or no patient whith new player in dungeon , kick from a dungeon is a pain in the ass , need to wait forever sometime depend of the time ,,

Yeah, it's a bit of a shock when we entered Alpha... and WAR = Tank. It used to be DPS. The new tank class is DRK. i.e. the ultimate glass cannon DPS in FFXI (BLMs are paper cannon since they're always catching fire)

What you and most of us need to do is get away from the "it looks like this, so it should be like this" mindset. It's a Japanese RPG after all. Take a look at pictures showing the protagonists of any FF game. Who's the leader/hero? Right... the thin, reedy kid who's so emo you wonder if he's a Sith apprentice yet. Just roll with it. Besides, the WAR's axe has healing nannites coating the edges... that heal you instead of the mob you just cleaved in two. Don't ask.

People are impolite part. Well you have to be 'polite' in return and just rush along with them. You can watch the naughtier cutscenes in the privacy of your own inn-room or just get a bunch of other players via the Party Finder with similar views. I'd put up PFs asking for "first look" + "no skipping". Efficiency, we just want to get the darn tomes and get out because it's a 'grind' to us, not a sight-show.

I play too much on JPN servers, so I never vote to kick even while on NA. Besides the votes always go through ^-^.

Need to wait forever part. Play a tank why don't you and help yourself AND the other poor schmucks waiting for a tank to fill that last slot :( Sometimes I wonder if this was why WAR got turned into a tank class too. Maybe tanking is too hard / boring or whatever.

Well... I take my own advice too. So I'll get tanking in a bit. After I've cleaned the stables :(
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=381735282

[Ratham]

People make fun of DRG because a lot of people play DRG and most people are terrible at...well, everything. The job itself is fine, just a lrage number of bad players got the job a bad reputation.

It's the same kind of thing as the term huntard or lolret from WoW.

[Umbra Mortalis]

引用自 Ratham：

People make fun of DRG because a lot of people play DRG and most people are terrible at...well, everything. The job itself is fine, just a lrage number of bad players got the job a bad reputation.

It's the same kind of thing as the term huntard or lolret from WoW.

Exactly this ^^ It seems to be the most popular job with new players especially.

But in all honesty the majority of people will use it as a joke. It's exactly the same as hunter in WoW. It's just a running joke that people like.

Things like:
"Oh of course the Dragoon dies first."
Are generally just people having a bit of fun.

People make fun of hunter in WoW despite it putting out some of the best DPS in the game. It's just an inside joke for people to laugh about.