crafting and recipes

[Phoenix]

am new to game, wondering if the game gives crafters all recipes or are some harder to get for some crafters to stand out?

i would hate if everyone can make everything, it makes noone special then i feel

[VaryNia]

So there are "master recipes" at every cap level (50, 60, 70, 80, 90) that you need to purchase with scrips (which you can get from various sources), but as soon as you have them and the necessary gear, then you can make everything.

Current Master recipes are hard, so it is not like everyone can do them.

[Phoenix]

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

[Don Lobo]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

Becoming an omni-crafter is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and a half of a grind. Not everyone is going to do it, and being able to consistently craft the highest-level master recipes takes some learning, a bit of grinding for gear, and lots of resources to push that gear to its max potential with overmelding materia (you’ll know about this eventually).

Just because everyone can unlock everything and eventually be able to craft everything doesn't mean they’ll do it or even have the desire to go down that hill.

[tathen]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

want do u want a character for every single class/job?, even runescape knows that's a terrible idea


just looked at OP's post history hes seems to be posting in every single MMO forum for some reason O.o

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by tathen:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

want do u want a character for every single class/job?, even runescape knows that's a terrible idea


just looked at OP's post history hes seems to be posting in every single MMO forum for some reason O.o

maybe im looking for a mmo to call home ?

[DthBlayde]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

It's the nature of the game, and the character itself. Aside from being very alt-unfriendly to begin with (the mindset of "why do you need multiple characters when you can do everything on just one?) The "WoL" (Warrior of Light) is supposed to be this ultra powerful hero who is capable of doing anything.

[Sunny]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

removes the need for alts

it doesn't sound like this is the game for you though, everyone has exactly the same opportunities to be special snowflakes -- they even make the majority of the game's content easy enough that filthy casuals can complete it, and are trying to make it yet easier and more accessible for the unwashed masses

no way for a pro gamer to lord their l33t self over other people, alas

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

Becoming an omni-crafter is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and a half of a grind. Not everyone is going to do it, and being able to consistently craft the highest-level master recipes takes some learning, a bit of grinding for gear, and lots of resources to push that gear to its max potential with overmelding materia (you’ll know about this eventually).

Just because everyone can unlock everything and eventually be able to craft everything doesn't mean they’ll do it or even have the desire to go down that hill.

It really isn't that bad.

Spam auto-crafts and job quests to 20.
Spam firmament to 70.
Spam leves, custom deliveries, GC hand-ins to 90.

If you get BiS and spend a little bit of time learning what the skills do and how to sim crafts in TeamCraft, the vast majority of crafts are super easy.

[Don Lobo]

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Becoming an omni-crafter is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and a half of a grind. Not everyone is going to do it, and being able to consistently craft the highest-level master recipes takes some learning, a bit of grinding for gear, and lots of resources to push that gear to its max potential with overmelding materia (you’ll know about this eventually).

Just because everyone can unlock everything and eventually be able to craft everything doesn't mean they’ll do it or even have the desire to go down that hill.

It really isn't that bad.

Spam auto-crafts and job quests to 20.
Spam firmament to 70.
Spam leves, custom deliveries, GC hand-ins to 90.

If you get BiS and spend a little bit of time learning what the skills do and how to sim crafts in TeamCraft, the vast majority of crafts are super easy.

Welp, I don't have money to throw around, so getting BiS means making everything myself. That includes, among MANY other things, 400 collectibles done perfectly just for the current relics. 240 of which require, each, 2x2 different materials, so 960 additional crafts for the materials to get there. And that doesn’t consider the work I’ve done to stay up to date with previous patches.

It took me 4 months of doing virtually nothing else to get from 50 to 90 on everything. And since then I've been slowly building every bit of gear for myself, plus storing as many cowries to meld everything, hoping I never lose 30+ rank IX materia on a single meld ever again and see weeks of work or hours of collectible crating go down the drain like it was nothing.

So yeah, all in all it isn't THAT bad. Still very grindy, especially if you don't have money to buy yourself everything.

[Drakzen]

Originally posted by Phoenix:

so everyone has ability to craft anything and can play all classes, i just dont get it tbh

It still takes time, effort and alot of money to be able to craft the top stuff at high quality. Penta-melding your gear can cost tons even if you are lucky.

[Ten4]

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Originally posted by MOSLEY:

It really isn't that bad.

Spam auto-crafts and job quests to 20.
Spam firmament to 70.
Spam leves, custom deliveries, GC hand-ins to 90.

If you get BiS and spend a little bit of time learning what the skills do and how to sim crafts in TeamCraft, the vast majority of crafts are super easy.

Welp, I don't have money to throw around, so getting BiS means making everything myself. That includes, among MANY other things, 400 collectibles done perfectly just for the current relics. 240 of which require, each, 2x2 different materials, so 960 additional crafts for the materials to get there. And that doesn’t consider the work I’ve done to stay up to date with previous patches.

It took me 4 months of doing virtually nothing else to get from 50 to 90 on everything. And since then I've been slowly building every bit of gear for myself, plus storing as many cowries to meld everything, hoping I never lose 30+ rank IX materia on a single meld ever again and see weeks of work or hours of collectible crating go down the drain like it was nothing.

So yeah, all in all it isn't THAT bad. Still very grindy, especially if you don't have money to buy yourself everything.

Sounds to me like you don't know how to manage your time well. Its easy to level crafter jobs all of them have job quests, and just there are plenty of daily Tribal Quests that you can do to speed things along. Just play through the questlines for the Beast Tribes and it give you more than enough XP. I'm a lvl90 in all crafting jobs, it just comes down to time management.

[VaryNia]

Originally posted by Smithy:

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Welp, I don't have money to throw around, so getting BiS means making everything myself. That includes, among MANY other things, 400 collectibles done perfectly just for the current relics. 240 of which require, each, 2x2 different materials, so 960 additional crafts for the materials to get there. And that doesn’t consider the work I’ve done to stay up to date with previous patches.

It took me 4 months of doing virtually nothing else to get from 50 to 90 on everything. And since then I've been slowly building every bit of gear for myself, plus storing as many cowries to meld everything, hoping I never lose 30+ rank IX materia on a single meld ever again and see weeks of work or hours of collectible crating go down the drain like it was nothing.

So yeah, all in all it isn't THAT bad. Still very grindy, especially if you don't have money to buy yourself everything.

Sounds to me like you don't know how to manage your time well. Its easy to level crafter jobs all of them have job quests, and just there are plenty of daily Tribal Quests that you can do to speed things along. Just play through the questlines for the Beast Tribes and it give you more than enough XP. I'm a lvl90 in all crafting jobs, it just comes down to time management.

I'd agree, though beast tribes do actually take time due to their allowances.

Also, f*ck Ixals.

[Don Lobo]

Originally posted by Smithy:

Sounds to me like you don't know how to manage your time well. Its easy to level crafter jobs all of them have job quests, and just there are plenty of daily Tribal Quests that you can do to speed things along. Just play through the questlines for the Beast Tribes and it give you more than enough XP. I'm a lvl90 in all crafting jobs, it just comes down to time management.

Did I now? I'm sure as hell much more efficient now than I was back then. But do consider this. I worked with mostly garbage gear until 60 for 11 classes at the same time. From 60 to 70 I used the class quest’s gear, which meant getting bits and pieces of each from the multiple classes, moving one at a time to 70, just to get by. I got bored of the Diadem and Firmament within the hour, and was only at 70 an onward where I had a full set of on level NQ vendor's gear.

I'm not arguing you're wrong by the way. I understand there's no tone in written text so I want to clarify that upfront. But I do think you folks are underestimating what it means to do this with no guides, no FC, no in-game acquaintances helping, 2-3 hours at night at most, virtually no gil and only my own experience to go by. All things considered, I did pretty well and I STILL think it to be a lot even now, knowing how to do things more efficiently.

Oh, and I did all class quests, as well as costume deliveries and leves. All of which take time, and all of which have limits, all while learning very much by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, so to speak. And when I say I had to do everything, I do mean every bit of it. Every single material for every craft gathered and processed from scratch for absolutely every part of it. No buying packs of materials to do leves faster, or having FC xp boost, not having enough to get cordials, or even friends to ask "am I doing this right?".

So sure, it can be done faster than I did. I've never put that into question. Still would be a hell of a grind, one that's very worth it, but a big fat grind nonetheless.

[Ten4]

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Originally posted by Smithy:

Sounds to me like you don't know how to manage your time well. Its easy to level crafter jobs all of them have job quests, and just there are plenty of daily Tribal Quests that you can do to speed things along. Just play through the questlines for the Beast Tribes and it give you more than enough XP. I'm a lvl90 in all crafting jobs, it just comes down to time management.

Did I now? I'm sure as hell much more efficient now than I was back then. But do consider this. I worked with mostly garbage gear until 60 for 11 classes at the same time. From 60 to 70 I used the class quest’s gear, which meant getting bits and pieces of each from the multiple classes, moving one at a time to 70, just to get by. I got bored of the Diadem and Firmament within the hour, and was only at 70 an onward where I had a full set of on level NQ vendor's gear.

I'm not arguing you're wrong by the way. I understand there's no tone in written text so I want to clarify that upfront. But I do think you folks are underestimating what it means to do this with no guides, no FC, no in-game acquaintances helping, 2-3 hours at night at most, virtually no gil and only my own experience to go by. All things considered, I did pretty well and I STILL think it to be a lot even now, knowing how to do things more efficiently.

Oh, and I did all class quests, as well as costume deliveries and leves. All of which take time, and all of which have limits, all while learning very much by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, so to speak. And when I say I had to do everything, I do mean every bit of it. Every single material for every craft gathered and processed from scratch for absolutely every part of it. No buying packs of materials to do leves faster, or having FC xp boost, not having enough to get cordials, or even friends to ask "am I doing this right?".

So sure, it can be done faster than I did. I've never put that into question. Still would be a hell of a grind, one that's very worth it, but a big fat grind nonetheless.

I wasn’t meaning to insult you either. I was just trying to share knowledge.

I got tried of being ripped off in the market place for things i could spend an hour or two gathering mats making on my own. In the end selling martial on the market is really the only way to make money.

I also learned The crafting jobs are all connected to, armorer and smithing share recipes. And as I was playing the game i realized it was much faster to do them all together because it felt less grindy.

Also the Ishguarian Restoriaon project is probably the best way to get it done faster because you also level up harvesting and mining.

Once you can self serve it makes leveling up another job easier because you can craft your own goods. Also you quickly become a millionaire through the market so buying things with GIl becomes trivial.

Also, it didn’t hurt and i did all of this during the new england winter of when it was below freezing outside. Having a good podcast to listen to worked wonders for me too.

The crafting system is probably my least favorite aspect an MMO and just seems like necessary evil that you have to endure if you want gold.

[Havok]

Originally posted by Don Lobo:

Originally posted by Smithy:

Sounds to me like you don't know how to manage your time well. Its easy to level crafter jobs all of them have job quests, and just there are plenty of daily Tribal Quests that you can do to speed things along. Just play through the questlines for the Beast Tribes and it give you more than enough XP. I'm a lvl90 in all crafting jobs, it just comes down to time management.

Did I now? I'm sure as hell much more efficient now than I was back then. But do consider this. I worked with mostly garbage gear until 60 for 11 classes at the same time. From 60 to 70 I used the class quest’s gear, which meant getting bits and pieces of each from the multiple classes, moving one at a time to 70, just to get by. I got bored of the Diadem and Firmament within the hour, and was only at 70 an onward where I had a full set of on level NQ vendor's gear.

I'm not arguing you're wrong by the way. I understand there's no tone in written text so I want to clarify that upfront. But I do think you folks are underestimating what it means to do this with no guides, no FC, no in-game acquaintances helping, 2-3 hours at night at most, virtually no gil and only my own experience to go by. All things considered, I did pretty well and I STILL think it to be a lot even now, knowing how to do things more efficiently.

Oh, and I did all class quests, as well as costume deliveries and leves. All of which take time, and all of which have limits, all while learning very much by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, so to speak. And when I say I had to do everything, I do mean every bit of it. Every single material for every craft gathered and processed from scratch for absolutely every part of it. No buying packs of materials to do leves faster, or having FC xp boost, not having enough to get cordials, or even friends to ask "am I doing this right?".

So sure, it can be done faster than I did. I've never put that into question. Still would be a hell of a grind, one that's very worth it, but a big fat grind nonetheless.

Took me the better part of 12 mil that I did make back before I sank it into housing to level 1-90 all of them at the same time and it still took me a while. I did diadem for gathering and stopped around 60, but it was miserable and boring. And crafting was power leveled then diadem crafting, and I ended getting all those to 90 and finally did gathering collectibles to finish them out, then all class quests, then making BIS was a super big investment because you need master recipes, and even then it’s still a while.

If you do it in chunks it’s not too bad, but it’s still a grind. Sure you can optimize it better but it is not for everyone, same thing with omnicombat. But that’s why you can sink so much time into it. But being able to craft whatever you want, whenever you want, has pretty significant perks if you’re already end game, so a worth while investment, but not for everyone.

Is the reward good enough for the grind? Yea, I’d say so. As for OP. The amount of people that do the crafter grind is low. That’s why the prices of raid food and pots are always good investments. People buy hundreds at a time for prog. Having everyone be able to do everything if you grind for it, is not something everyone does.