This game is too much a WoW clone.

[w]

The questing system, the dungeons, the raids, the beast tribe quests (aka daily quests), the flying, everything they ripped off from WoW. Why Square Enix not create an original mmo instead of copying every game systems from WoW? FFXI is an mmo and it is an original game.. very different. FFXIV is a blalant rip off of WoW.
Following are the things that FFXIV copied from WoW:

1)They copied WoW's dungeon finder and renamed it was duty finder. Imagine how awesome FFXIV would have been if there was no duty finder. Remember the glory days of WoW when there was no dungeon finder and people had to manually form groups. Thats one of the reason why people are so hyped about Classic WoW.

2)They copied WoW's daily quest system and renamed it as beast tribe quests.

3)They copied WoW's world quest system and renamed it was FATEs.

4)They copied WoW's tab target combat system and added combos. Imagine how awesome FFXIV would have been if the combat was like traditional final fantasy games or something original instead of being copy pasted from western mmorpgs like WoW.
5)They copied WoW's tedious quest system like kill 5 of those and gather 10 of these. Imagine how awesome FFXIV would have been if the quest system was like traditional final fantasy games or something original.

6)They copied WoW's most worst feature: flying. Flying single handedly ruined the open world aspect of WoW and blizzard finally admitted in 2015 that adding flying was a mistake. So nowadays to fly in WoW you have to pass a huge grind take will take months even a year and it is also timegated. But SE and Yoshi P without thinking blalantly copied flying and pasted it into FFXIV.

7)They copied the justice and valor system that WoW had during Cataclysm and MOP expansion and renamed it as tomestones.

8)They copied WoW's world boss system and renamed it as hunts.

[Blue]

Nguyên văn bởi ༺Leͥgeͣnͫd༻ᴳᵒᵈ:

...I've played FFXIV, WoW, BDO, SWTOR, PSO2, PSU, TERA, and many more. I'd call myself a MMO connoisseur,...

But still, what is the Point you trying to make here?
Even if this and that game are similar or the same... what does it matter?

(As special because you listet SWToR.. cause that really feels like WoW where just every visual got changed into Star Wars XD)

[Drakon]

Nguyên văn bởi rocketskates69:

Nguyên văn bởi ༺Leͥgeͣnͫd༻ᴳᵒᵈ:

I've played FFXIV, WoW, BDO, SWTOR, PSO2, PSU, TERA, and many more. I'd call myself a MMO connoisseur, and I probably have a much more valid opinion than you.

Nice troll bait.

WoW is garbage.

The world was just settling with WoW until the perfect MMO came out, FF XIV.

Difference is, FF does it better. It perfected what WoW could not.

Now SE is stealing players in droves from WoW. Bleeding them dry.

Maybe your sour because your guild in WoW is dying because they came to FF XIV LMAO.

Oh, how the mighty has fallen.

I find FFXIV to be far more bland to play than WoW, I'm subbed to both games at the moment and I genuinely enjoy WoW's content more than I do FFXIV's.

FFXIV is not a 'perfect' MMO. It has it's flaws as well. It's perfect in your eyes, but it's not perfect to everyone else.

BfA sucked and only in 8.3 are the much needed changes coming, but still it offers far more content to keep me interested than FFXIV.

Most of the 'WoW Refugees' are here temporarily. You know that the second Shadowlands comes out, they will likely head back.

I'm not even too sure SE is stealing lots of WoW players, especially with the addition of Classic, and it doing phenomenally well.

FFXIV does it's story a lot better than WoW, but outside of that, I don't see anything. Class design is equally bad at the moment for both. If you mean World Design, I'd go with WoW, the art team outdid themselves with BfA. FFXIV's world only looks good from afar.

[Slamurai]

This game beats wow hands down. I converted and now know a real MMO is WoW is lame

[Mandodo]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

Nguyên văn bởi rocketskates69:

Nice troll bait.

WoW is garbage.

The world was just settling with WoW until the perfect MMO came out, FF XIV.

Difference is, FF does it better. It perfected what WoW could not.

Now SE is stealing players in droves from WoW. Bleeding them dry.

Maybe your sour because your guild in WoW is dying because they came to FF XIV LMAO.

Oh, how the mighty has fallen.

I find FFXIV to be far more bland to play than WoW, I'm subbed to both games at the moment and I genuinely enjoy WoW's content more than I do FFXIV's.

FFXIV is not a 'perfect' MMO. It has it's flaws as well. It's perfect in your eyes, but it's not perfect to everyone else.

BfA sucked and only in 8.3 are the much needed changes coming, but still it offers far more content to keep me interested than FFXIV.

Most of the 'WoW Refugees' are here temporarily. You know that the second Shadowlands comes out, they will likely head back.

I'm not even too sure SE is stealing lots of WoW players, especially with the addition of Classic, and it doing phenomenally well.

FFXIV does it's story a lot better than WoW, but outside of that, I don't see anything. Class design is equally bad at the moment for both. If you mean World Design, I'd go with WoW, the art team outdid themselves with BfA. FFXIV's world only looks good from afar.

All of WoW sucks and it looks like an android game from 2006.

Even "Classic" could not even bring people back.

Oh wait, whats that? A New expansion for WoW....well, cool, what's it called?

Shadowlands.....Shadowbringers.....

Shadowlands......

Shadowbringers........

But, wait, I thought FF was copying WoW?

Here, since educating yourself seems hard for you, a video showing the differences in everything you just said and how it is NOT like WoW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wHaN0CUng

But, like a good troll, im sure you'll ignore it.

I mean, Feelings over Facts and all.

EDIT, show me WoW looking this damn good: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1920762332

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1914855498

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1912561025

[Drakon]

Oh my god! WoW released an expansion called Shadowlands, a concept which has existed in WoW's universe even before FFXIV came into existence. No way that can't be, FFXIV created the word Shadow, therefore WoW is copying FFXIV.

Can't believe Blizzard made an entire expansion in 3 months to cash in on Shadowbringers. Also does this mean Destiny 2 is also copying FFXIV?

I'm also sure WoW copied Angelic creatures yes? Totally didn't exist during Wotlk. I must have just imagined Winged angelic creatures who held swords and shields during my questing sessions through Wotlk zones and throughout Legion's Stormheim and Warrior Class Hall.

I don't recall ever stating that FFXIV is a copy of WoW in my previous comment, you seem to assume that. That's just OP's opinion on the matter. I was talking about how I feel about the 2 games at the moment. I gave that statement as you seem to just completely hate WoW because you like FFXIV. Rather than acknowledge that even if WoW is not as good as it was before, it still does quite a few things right.

Guess I'm just a simple troll apparently, as anyone who disagrees with Rocket is always a troll.

Classic also was a total flop aye. Totally wasn't on top of Twitch for a whole month. Classic really couldn't bring people back.

https://www.newsweek.com/world-warcraft-subscriptions-triple-classic-release-1461086

https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-classic-subscription

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/23/world-of-warcraft-classic-caused-a-223-rise-in-subscriptions/

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295273/classic-triples-wow-subscription-revenue-in-august

And here are some screenshots of BfA zones and also some from Legion. I'd like to have shown a few of my own, but sadly that's on my faulty HDD I can't access, had way too many of Suramar, Antorus, Tomb and Stormheim.

https://imgur.com/a/AWQVKc6

https://imgur.com/a/6sXrF8g

https://imgur.com/r/Wow/aJmLI

Also came across this, thought it'd be cool as well to add

https://www.gamepedia.com/blogs/1225-10-incredible-screenshots-from-world-of-warcraft

[Mandodo]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

Oh my god! WoW released an expansion called Shadowlands, a concept which has existed in WoW's universe even before FFXIV came into existence. No way that can't be, FFXIV created the word Shadow, therefore WoW is copying FFXIV.

Can't believe Blizzard made an entire expansion in 3 months to cash in on Shadowbringers. Also does this mean Destiny 2 is also copying FFXIV?

I'm also sure WoW copied Angelic creatures yes? Totally didn't exist during Wotlk. I must have just imagined Winged angelic creatures who held swords and shields during my questing sessions through Wotlk zones and throughout Legion's Stormheim and Warrior Class Hall.

I don't recall ever stating that FFXIV is a copy of WoW in my previous comment, you seem to assume that. That's just OP's opinion on the matter. I was talking about how I feel about the 2 games at the moment. I gave that statement as you seem to just completely hate WoW because you like FFXIV. Rather than acknowledge that even if WoW is not as good as it was before, it still does quite a few things right.

Guess I'm just a simple troll apparently, as anyone who disagrees with Rocket is always a troll.

Classic also was a total flop aye. Totally wasn't on top of Twitch for a whole month. Classic really couldn't bring people back.

https://www.newsweek.com/world-warcraft-subscriptions-triple-classic-release-1461086

https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-classic-subscription

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/23/world-of-warcraft-classic-caused-a-223-rise-in-subscriptions/

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295273/classic-triples-wow-subscription-revenue-in-august

And here are some screenshots of BfA zones and also some from Legion. I'd like to have shown a few of my own, but sadly that's on my faulty HDD I can't access, had way too many of Suramar, Antorus, Tomb and Stormheim.

https://imgur.com/a/AWQVKc6

https://imgur.com/a/6sXrF8g

https://imgur.com/r/Wow/aJmLI

Also came across this, thought it'd be cool as well to add

https://www.gamepedia.com/blogs/1225-10-incredible-screenshots-from-world-of-warcraft

Take screenshots without add on's and re shade added lmaooooo

[Drakon]

Nguyên văn bởi rocketskates69:

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

Oh my god! WoW released an expansion called Shadowlands, a concept which has existed in WoW's universe even before FFXIV came into existence. No way that can't be, FFXIV created the word Shadow, therefore WoW is copying FFXIV.

Can't believe Blizzard made an entire expansion in 3 months to cash in on Shadowbringers. Also does this mean Destiny 2 is also copying FFXIV?

I'm also sure WoW copied Angelic creatures yes? Totally didn't exist during Wotlk. I must have just imagined Winged angelic creatures who held swords and shields during my questing sessions through Wotlk zones and throughout Legion's Stormheim and Warrior Class Hall.

I don't recall ever stating that FFXIV is a copy of WoW in my previous comment, you seem to assume that. That's just OP's opinion on the matter. I was talking about how I feel about the 2 games at the moment. I gave that statement as you seem to just completely hate WoW because you like FFXIV. Rather than acknowledge that even if WoW is not as good as it was before, it still does quite a few things right.

Guess I'm just a simple troll apparently, as anyone who disagrees with Rocket is always a troll.

Classic also was a total flop aye. Totally wasn't on top of Twitch for a whole month. Classic really couldn't bring people back.

https://www.newsweek.com/world-warcraft-subscriptions-triple-classic-release-1461086

https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-classic-subscription

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/23/world-of-warcraft-classic-caused-a-223-rise-in-subscriptions/

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295273/classic-triples-wow-subscription-revenue-in-august

And here are some screenshots of BfA zones and also some from Legion. I'd like to have shown a few of my own, but sadly that's on my faulty HDD I can't access, had way too many of Suramar, Antorus, Tomb and Stormheim.

https://imgur.com/a/AWQVKc6

https://imgur.com/a/6sXrF8g

https://imgur.com/r/Wow/aJmLI

Also came across this, thought it'd be cool as well to add

https://www.gamepedia.com/blogs/1225-10-incredible-screenshots-from-world-of-warcraft

Take screenshots without add on's and re shade added lmaooooo

I'm pretty sure the only addons I have installed are Raid, UI, PvP and Minimap based addons as I find the rest to be of no use. Unless Deadly Bosses Mods, Atlas Loot, RaiderIO, WA2 and Bagnon somehow improves the graphics.

All those have been taken at WoW's highest possible settings. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you get banned for using any third party software like Reshade or SweetFX in WoW. No one is really gonna risk an account ban for a screenshot.

[Meltup]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

If you mean World Design, I'd go with WoW, the art team outdid themselves with BfA. FFXIV's world only looks good from afar.

I would strongly disagree on this. FFXIV's world design is excellent and has always had strong lore foundation - when I started to play, I was actually amazed how good everything was tied together. The last major hole in the lore, discussed by the community, was about certain Ascian who should have been destroyed in Eureka but appeared in a cutscene featuring Ascian council (and that cutscene took place after the incident with the Isle of Val). However Shadowbringers covered that hole completely.

On the other hand, WoW has adopted "the rule of cool". There have been so many unaddressed inconsistencies and retcons in the lore... that I don't even want to start discussion on that topic, it would take weeks. And the worst of all, world design in WoW has completely changed over time to the point that it has lost its identity. For example, look at dungeons - in Classic they are mostly large explorable areas where new players can easily get lost, in Retail they are streamlined paths from entrance to the exit (and no - it didnt' make them better, BRD is still widely considered to be the best dungeon design in WoW's history).

[Mandodo]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

Nguyên văn bởi rocketskates69:

Take screenshots without add on's and re shade added lmaooooo

I'm pretty sure the only addons I have installed are Raid, UI, PvP and Minimap based addons as I find the rest to be of no use. Unless Deadly Bosses Mods, Atlas Loot, RaiderIO, WA2 and Bagnon somehow improves the graphics.

All those have been taken at WoW's highest possible settings. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you get banned for using any third party software like Reshade or SweetFX in WoW. No one is really gonna risk an account ban for a screenshot.

You won't get banned using it lmao.

The fact you have to even add mods or add on's to even be able to enjoy the game makes WoW a failure in my opinion. Like ESO.

Then again, FF has the best UI and customization out right now.

[Drakon]

Nguyên văn bởi Meltup:

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

If you mean World Design, I'd go with WoW, the art team outdid themselves with BfA. FFXIV's world only looks good from afar.

I would strongly disagree on this. FFXIV's world design is excellent and has always had strong lore foundation - when I started to play, I was actually amazed how good everything was tied together. The last major hole in the lore, discussed by the community, was about certain Ascian who should have been destroyed in Eureka but appeared in a cutscene featuring Ascian council (and that cutscene took place after the incident with the Isle of Val). However Shadowbringers covered that whole completely.

On the other hand, WoW has adopted "the rule of cool". There have been so many unaddressed inconsistencies and retcons in the lore... that I don't even want to start discussion on that topic, it would take weeks. And the worst of all, world design in WoW has completely changed over time to the point that it has lost its identity. For example, look at dungeons - in Classic they are mostly large explorable areas where new players can easily get lost, in Retail they are streamlined paths from entrance to the exit (and no - it didnt' make them better, BRD is still widely considered to be the best dungeon design in WoW's history).

That's weird, cause if anything the world design is so much better in WoW as the art team is amazing. Just entering into Drustvar, you get that feeling of ominousness, the tone of the forest and environment, the fog, the shadows, the trees, they all add up perfectly to create that feeling of dread and gloom as you finally reach Waycrest Manor.

How about Gilneas? When you start out as a Worgen and are sent to Gilneas as a human to witness and you take part in the fight to retake it and the tragedy that followed right after, the whole setting, the neo-gothic architecture. Everything there adds on to the whole feel of the city and the situation does it not?

Just questing through Stormheim as you learn more about it's people and the situation, all whilst Viking Architecture and Viking Mythical creatures surround the whole setting. With the enormous Halls of Valor, Trial of Valor and the Maw. With Valkry and Vrykul being the main race you interact with.

The zones all do their jobs well and give out the necessary feels while you do the quests throughout the zone the first time around. FFXIV gives it's information through cutscenes and WoW does through it's flexible quests. Questing system in WoW is much more flexible and as such you aren't stuck with only 4 or 5 different quest types like in FFXIV.

And if we are talking about dungeons, then WoW's might be more 'streamlined' as compared to how open it used to be. Yet the dungeons have a lot more interaction and have skips which can be used depending on your party setup. Is Freehold streamlined? Get a Rogue and look at that, you are at the last boss. These dungeons skips also play an important role in how your M+ runs go.

Classes such as Rogues, Monks, Demon Hunters, Hunters and Mages are the most popular for M+ due to this.

If we're talking about how paths are streamlined in WoW, then what about FFXIV? Isn't each dungeon literally just

Entrance -> Path -> Boss 1 -> Path -> Boss 2 -> Path -> Last Boss.

You can't even choose to explore more of a dungeon as there is no other path to take or any skip to do. WoW at the very least also adds some Dungeon World Quests which you can choose to do and take a detour to head to the WQ Boss.

The lore team does need some changes tbf, things like Night Warrior Tyrande not being able to kill Nathanos because he said "ENOUGH" is annoying. It's as annoying as being wrecked by some old man called Ran'jit when you happen to be the WoL or when you are wrecking Zenos in the MSQ and he casts Concentravity.

[Drakon]

Nguyên văn bởi rocketskates69:

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

I'm pretty sure the only addons I have installed are Raid, UI, PvP and Minimap based addons as I find the rest to be of no use. Unless Deadly Bosses Mods, Atlas Loot, RaiderIO, WA2 and Bagnon somehow improves the graphics.

All those have been taken at WoW's highest possible settings. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you get banned for using any third party software like Reshade or SweetFX in WoW. No one is really gonna risk an account ban for a screenshot.

You won't get banned using it lmao.

The fact you have to even add mods or add on's to even be able to enjoy the game makes WoW a failure in my opinion. Like ESO.

Then again, FF has the best UI and customization out right now.

You get banned for using third party software in WoW, it's a fair deal and not many people even care enough about Reshade in WoW. Especially when you have the freedom to install addons.

The only addons people want you to install is DBM and any damage meter, the rest you don't have to bother. Because DBM and a DM can help a new player and veteran with raid/dungeon content, nobody gets butthurt and reports you if they are called out for terrible DPS like in FFXIV.

The rest of the addons are QoL ones which you can choose to add such as Bagnon, Azeroth Auto Pilot, Atlas Loot and Transmog based ones.

Can't believe I found someone who actually likes FFXIV's UI. It's just terrible with far too little too customize.

WoW's UI is bad and dated, but you are allowed to have much further customization through WA and Bartender 4. Lots of people still use it's old UI as they prefer it or are just used to it.

https://wago.io/Nkto8SvDG

https://wago.io/Bywf1WO4m

These are just simple community made Weak Auras for DK which people use. FFXIV's UI pales in comparison to WA, B4 and ElvUI.

Wow! no way! an active community which loves creating addons, yuck failed game.

Oh look! It's my personal favorite Weak Aura.

https://wago.io/BycpEfuR7

No worries FFXIV's pain to use UI is so much better.

[Disney+]

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[AnonymousBard]

It took good, popular, and convenient features of another game and youre complaining about it? That's alot different than copying a game... how long have you been playing games again? That's like saying any game that has a health bar, or is in first person, or has guns is a Wolfenstien clone...

[Meltup]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

...nobody gets butthurt and reports you if they are called out for terrible DPS like in FFXIV.

Eh, are you sure about that? From my experience it is the opposite - damage meters are a major source of toxicity in WoW. Yes, using damage meter to confront someone is not reportable offence in WoW but people do get butthurt, and things easily escalate from there.

[Mandodo]

Nguyên văn bởi Drakon:

Nguyên văn bởi Meltup:

I would strongly disagree on this. FFXIV's world design is excellent and has always had strong lore foundation - when I started to play, I was actually amazed how good everything was tied together. The last major hole in the lore, discussed by the community, was about certain Ascian who should have been destroyed in Eureka but appeared in a cutscene featuring Ascian council (and that cutscene took place after the incident with the Isle of Val). However Shadowbringers covered that whole completely.

On the other hand, WoW has adopted "the rule of cool". There have been so many unaddressed inconsistencies and retcons in the lore... that I don't even want to start discussion on that topic, it would take weeks. And the worst of all, world design in WoW has completely changed over time to the point that it has lost its identity. For example, look at dungeons - in Classic they are mostly large explorable areas where new players can easily get lost, in Retail they are streamlined paths from entrance to the exit (and no - it didnt' make them better, BRD is still widely considered to be the best dungeon design in WoW's history).

That's weird, cause if anything the world design is so much better in WoW as the art team is amazing. Just entering into Drustvar, you get that feeling of ominousness, the tone of the forest and environment, the fog, the shadows, the trees, they all add up perfectly to create that feeling of dread and gloom as you finally reach Waycrest Manor.

How about Gilneas? When you start out as a Worgen and are sent to Gilneas as a human to witness and you take part in the fight to retake it and the tragedy that followed right after, the whole setting, the neo-gothic architecture. Everything there adds on to the whole feel of the city and the situation does it not?

Just questing through Stormheim as you learn more about it's people and the situation, all whilst Viking Architecture and Viking Mythical creatures surround the whole setting. With the enormous Halls of Valor, Trial of Valor and the Maw. With Valkry and Vrykul being the main race you interact with.

The zones all do their jobs well and give out the necessary feels while you do the quests throughout the zone the first time around. FFXIV gives it's information through cutscenes and WoW does through it's flexible quests. Questing system in WoW is much more flexible and as such you aren't stuck with only 4 or 5 different quest types like in FFXIV.

And if we are talking about dungeons, then WoW's might be more 'streamlined' as compared to how open it used to be. Yet the dungeons have a lot more interaction and have skips which can be used depending on your party setup. Is Freehold streamlined? Get a Rogue and look at that, you are at the last boss. These dungeons skips also play an important role in how your M+ runs go.

Classes such as Rogues, Monks, Demon Hunters, Hunters and Mages are the most popular for M+ due to this.

If we're talking about how paths are streamlined in WoW, then what about FFXIV? Isn't each dungeon literally just

Entrance -> Path -> Boss 1 -> Path -> Boss 2 -> Path -> Last Boss.

You can't even choose to explore more of a dungeon as there is no other path to take or any skip to do. WoW at the very least also adds some Dungeon World Quests which you can choose to do and take a detour to head to the WQ Boss.

The lore team does need some changes tbf, things like Night Warrior Tyrande not being able to kill Nathanos because he said "ENOUGH" is annoying. It's as annoying as being wrecked by some old man called Ran'jit when you happen to be the WoL or when you are wrecking Zenos in the MSQ and he casts Concentravity.

If FF is so bad then why are you here trollin? edit, I see your profile is set to private so we can't even see if you even spent 5 minutes in game.

Are you one of those people from WoW who are mad because your server is empty and people are leaving for FF?

I bet you played your free 30 days and never returned.