Monsters are THAT weak?

[Balong]

I mean, some monsters are incredibly strong, have magic powers or both (Undyne, Asgore, Sans,...) but a single human child can defeat them easily and make such ravages in monster side....
Monsters are THAT weak? Once outside the underground, how they will able to live with humans?

In the opening, It says the battle between monsters and humans was long (but I don't know if battle, It means a single battle or the entire war.)

It could means too the humans falling in the underground have, in fact, "special" SOUL who make them way more powerfull than any others humans.

Call me misanthropist, It's just I'm very tired to see mankind always having a huge advantage against any non-human foes (determination, courage, evolution, spirit, some-random-power-to-allow-us-to-beat-the-crap-out-of-things,...) in most of fictions. (and optionnaly, having a horrible cheesy dumb monologue about how much humans are so great compared to those races)...

[Seraphita]

Huge, I don't see what you mean. In no way can Frisk defeat Undyne easily for one. Asgore either... (He is not even fighting you with his full power). Sans is a veeeery long battle where he grows tired against the devil itself. Where's weak? I don't see it. Monsters that do look weak are weak just because. Not all monsters are strong or gifted with power. Other than that not sure.

If Asgore fought with his full power against humans, you can be sure many will die. Frisk is special so yeah. Undyne, same thing. She is more lax against you in pacifist and you give her mercy anyway. In Genocide, she is a fearsome power to recognize and she survives well enough against the devil. In NO ways they are weak. You just need to look at it from the right angle.

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Go to Snowdin library. There is (mostly) the answer you seek.

[CyperAleksi]

Originally posted by Milordog1:

Go to Snowdin librarby. There is (mostly) the answer you seek.

[Crystalitar]

can we just also say that most regular monsters are just civilains? I bet in the war they had warriors like the royal guards more.

[Archmage MC]

I don't get how the Monsters didn't get a single soul TBH. Undyne can suplex boulders, so I'm sure there has to be some physically strong monsters. Even if they didn't have guns which allows even a small kid to kill a full grown healthy adult, I'm sure they could at least use Archery which can still kill people fairly easily. Or poison, or...

Are they just allergic to iron, lead, aluminum, ext?

[Gryffe]

WARNING, SPOILER. Ok, so let's get started.

History lesson : the war ended with no casualities on the human side.
No.
Casualities.
Like, 0.
Monsters couldn't take down a single human.
Everything you need to know is written on the walls of the waterfall cave.

So, why is that ? Because the body of the monsters is made of their souls, which cannot stand emotion like hatred of killing intent.

Basically, if you *really* want to kill a monster, he'll die in one hit because his soul can't stand it. Hence why every monster in the genocide run dies in one hit.

Yes, every monster. Undyne dies in one hit before she transformed into Undyne the Undying, and that only happened because she gained the DETERMINATION that monsters don't normally own. Meaning she wasn't your "regular monster" anymore at this point of the fight.

Sans doesn't die because he dodges every blow. When you finally hit him, he goes down in one hit like every other monsters. It's his ability to "cheat the game" that make him hard to take down.

Back to the topic, this is also why you have so much trouble killing things in a neutral run. Your character doesn't want to kill the monsters, and that why you have a hard time against them. That's the whole point of the LOVE : keeping track of your will to kill. The more you kill, the easier it becomes.

The only exception to this rule is if a monster can acquire a human soul. The DETERMINATION within the human soul would give a huge powerboost to the otherwise harmful magic tricks of monsters, transforming them in gods of the battlefield. But only Asriel could have done that, and he refused to, so it historically never happened.

[Blessed Evelyn]

Well, the Wall Text says that humans are much more powerful than monsters due to our higher amount of physical mass.

[Plastic Shitlord]

Originally posted by Cheese:

Well, the Wall Text says that humans are much more powerful than monsters due to our higher amount of physical mass.

Now i understand why Asgore ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up his polymers so fast.

[Balong]

Originally posted by Cheese is sick but not too bad:

Well, the Wall Text says that humans are much more powerful than monsters due to our higher amount of physical mass.

Originally posted by gryffondor95:

WARNING, SPOILER. Ok, so let's get started.

History lesson : the war ended with no casualities on the human side.
No.
Casualities.
Like, 0.
Monsters couldn't take down a single human.
Everything you need to know is written on the walls of the waterfall cave.

So, why is that ? Because the body of the monsters is made of their souls, which cannot stand emotion like hatred of killing intent.

Basically, if you *really* want to kill a monster, he'll die in one hit because his soul can't stand it. Hence why every monster in the genocide run dies in one hit.

Yes, every monster. Undyne dies in one hit before she transformed into Undyne the Undying, and that only happened because she gained the DETERMINATION that monsters don't normally own. Meaning she wasn't your "regular monster" anymore at this point of the fight.

Sans doesn't die because he dodges every blow. When you finally hit him, he goes down in one hit like every other monsters. It's his ability to "cheat the game" that make him hard to take down.

Back to the topic, this is also why you have so much trouble killing things in a neutral run. Your character doesn't want to kill the monsters, and that why you have a hard time against them. That's the whole point of the LOVE : keeping track of your will to kill. The more you kill, the easier it becomes.

The only exception to this rule is if a monster can acquire a human soul. The DETERMINATION within the human soul would give a huge powerboost to the otherwise harmful magic tricks of monsters, transforming them in gods of the battlefield. But only Asriel could have done that, and he refused to, so it historically never happened.

Yep, that exactly what I'm talking about.....Again, humans are stronger because...

[Blessed Evelyn]

Originally posted by Balong:

Originally posted by Cheese is sick but not too bad:

Well, the Wall Text says that humans are much more powerful than monsters due to our higher amount of physical mass.

Originally posted by gryffondor95:

WARNING, SPOILER. Ok, so let's get started.

History lesson : the war ended with no casualities on the human side.
No.
Casualities.
Like, 0.
Monsters couldn't take down a single human.
Everything you need to know is written on the walls of the waterfall cave.

So, why is that ? Because the body of the monsters is made of their souls, which cannot stand emotion like hatred of killing intent.

Basically, if you *really* want to kill a monster, he'll die in one hit because his soul can't stand it. Hence why every monster in the genocide run dies in one hit.

Yes, every monster. Undyne dies in one hit before she transformed into Undyne the Undying, and that only happened because she gained the DETERMINATION that monsters don't normally own. Meaning she wasn't your "regular monster" anymore at this point of the fight.

Sans doesn't die because he dodges every blow. When you finally hit him, he goes down in one hit like every other monsters. It's his ability to "cheat the game" that make him hard to take down.

Back to the topic, this is also why you have so much trouble killing things in a neutral run. Your character doesn't want to kill the monsters, and that why you have a hard time against them. That's the whole point of the LOVE : keeping track of your will to kill. The more you kill, the easier it becomes.

The only exception to this rule is if a monster can acquire a human soul. The DETERMINATION within the human soul would give a huge powerboost to the otherwise harmful magic tricks of monsters, transforming them in gods of the battlefield. But only Asriel could have done that, and he refused to, so it historically never happened.

Yep, that exactly what I'm talking about.....

Then YES, they ARE that weak.

[Absolution]

In addition to what's been stated, it makes sense to me that most of the strong monsters were killed in the human war (as in life, in art.)

I can give you any number of real world examples if you care to give a ponder what really happens after war.

[Blessed Evelyn]

Originally posted by CyperAleksi:

Originally posted by Milordog1:

Go to Snowdin librarby. There is (mostly) the answer you seek. :flowey:

"Librarby"
Hnnnnng

[Balong]

Originally posted by Cheese is sick but not too bad:

Then YES, they ARE that weak.

I just find damn petty......again...

Originally posted by Absolution:

In addition to what's been stated, it makes sense to me that most of the strong monsters were killed in the human war (as in life, in art.)

I can give you any number of real world examples if you care to give a ponder what really happens after war.

If It can gives me a better view of the situation, then please, tell me.

[Absolution]

Look at how limpwristed modern day Germany and America are.

The best parts of those countries died fighting each other.
Kind of a deep subject so I'm not going to detail it- would take far too long and it's really best to study history and its consequences on your own.

The strongest part of a society dies off in war. It's reverse darwinism- the weak survive.

[Balong]

Originally posted by Absolution:

Look at how limpwristed modern day Germany and America are.

The best parts of those countries died fighting each other.
Kind of a deep subject so I'm not going to detail it- would take far too long and it's really best to study history and its consequences on your own.

The strongest part of a society dies off in war. It's reverse darwinism- the weak survive.

Ok but monsters are still weak compared to humans and they'll stay weak even if they rebuild their civilization on the surface.
If humans will decide to exterminate monsters or imprisonned again (and I'm sure It will happens quickly, even with Frisk), they'll do it again without problems...