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>Big bro/sis is bossy and controlling
>Yet still kind and caring
Sans is older.
Source: Word of God (See link).
*SIGH* AGAIN WITH THE HUMAN ♥♥♥♥. WHY DO I SUBJECT MYSELF TO THIS????
Okay, here I go, I'm going to post my long Sans is Human theory so prepare...this thread is going to be consumed with this theory.
Okay, we've all heard this theory once or twice, and we all shook our heads at it, I did the same, but let me tell you, I've probably got more proof than those idoits just saying that Sans was bleedling and thats all the proof you need, I actually explain more on it.
First lets explain some facts on Sans.
So lets begin.
Why people's theories about the blood are so very wrong.
Monster food vanishes upon consuming it so that ketchup Sans had drank earlier wouldnt be in his system, but this is even if Sans COULD consume it, which he couldnt have if he was a skeleton. This is shown in the demo of Undertale.
IF Sans had stored ketchup in his jacket one of two things would have happened.
1. Sans would have consumed the ketchup once it hit his open skeleton, and his hp would go back up, but this means Sans couldnt have coughed up the ketchup.
2. Sans didnt consume the ketchup and it somehow magically got to his mouth, since Sans has no reason to cough it up or anything to actually cough it up.
The first one didnt happen since you didnt get a sound of someone healing.
The second one is just unlogical.
Marrow isnt blood at all, its just tissue that produces blood cells, BUT since Sans has no organs that need blood, theres no reason to be blood.
Monsters dont even bleed, shown when you cut Toriel on her chest and face and nothing comes out, its just a black void. The same with Undyne.
If you are saying JUST skeletons bleed, remember, Pap didnt.
This is so far all the exuses ive heard for the blood, tell me if you have more.
On to the next one!
Skeletons dont eat, yet Sans does.
Paps judgement on his spaghetti is totally dependent on others' opinons, you'd think he would try it himself, but no, and in his fridge it says,"The fridge is filled with tons of UNEATEN spaghetti.", and then there's the one bag of chips that San had eaten. Heres a BIG piece of proof Pap can't eat:
Undyne askes to go inside Grillby's because she's cold, Pap says no because he hates grease, then she says,"But you dont even have a stomach!", implying he doesnt have a stomach to consume it anyways.
So how come Sans can eat?
Skeletons can't feel pain, yet Sans does.
Pap wasn't in pain after you cut his head off, but Sans shows visible signs of torment when you cut him, he even LIMPS away (you only limp when your in some sort of discomfort). The only expression Pap showed was surprise.
Here's more on how Pap cant feel, cold, or pain.
Undyne asks Pap if he is cold and he says no because he doesnt have skin. So, Pap can't feel the cold, what makes you think he could feel pain?
Skeletons cant sleep, yet Sans does.
Pap doesn't know what sleep is, untill Sans tells him, and Pap doesn't even sleep at night, as shown with him staying outside Undyne's house all night. He may get a bedtime story but he probably only naps, since he only knows what napping is. And Undyne even says,"Call him, at night, day, afternoon, morning, he ALWAYS answers the phone.", sounds to me like sleep doesn't happen for Pap.
Sans was acting weird once he got to the Surface.
Everyone at the end of the True Paficist seems absolutly flabbergastered once they see the sun, Sans? Nah.
Here's also something weird he said,"We, call that, the sun, my friend." Now, I already know Undyne knows what the sun is so forget about that, just pay attention to these two things,"We", and,"My friend".
Since some monsters, like Pap, probably have no idea what the sun is, I have no idea why Sans would say,"We", since, humans were the ones to come up with the name.
Sans also calls Pap,"my bro",and says,"hey, bro", to him the ENTIRE game, yet stops suddenly once he gets to the surface, something seems off here.
Sans remembers every reset, like Flowey.
Oh, you thought Sans could guess how many times you've died, just by looking at your expression? Think again, no one is that good. I dont even need to explain this more, its practically fact.
Why Sans cant correctly count each time he kills you.
Both skeleton brothers are shown to have a counting problem.
When at Paps house, Pap can't correctly count the number of followers he has, saying that he is twelve away from double digits, which is impossible because that would be negative two followers. Sans cant count correctly either, shown when he cant figrue out if its 7 or 9, and he cant count above 12.
(The reason they can't count correctly is because of memory loss, which I shall explain in Sans and Paps story.)
NEXT!
Why Sans gave up 'trying to go back'.
Sans wants to go back (or USED TO), but where? Surface, right? Nope, its too late. Sans 'timeline' has past and went, even if Sans went back to the surface it wouldn't be his home, not anymore. Now your asking,"Well why hasn't Sans died, if all of his family has?", maybe your not asking that, but some might. Well its because of something in Sans story that I shall explain later.
Why Sans doesnt try and take over Resets.
He doesn't have enough Determination. Never had, never will, and someone else had control of the Resets before Flowey came along.
How Sans can use magic.
Sans is human, or at least mostly, so that means humans CAN use magic, yes u heard me correct. At the beginning of the game it says,"Humans sealed monster underground with a MAGIC spell", this proves humans use magic. The books in the underground just said that humans could never express themselves through magic (Ill explain what this means in the next part). This now goes to my monsters were created by humans theory. (yes i need to explain this for the next point on Sans to make any sense).
Humans can't express themselves through magic, this means they can never change into a different form (like what Undyne did with her DETERMINATION), humans just have too much physical matter. Well...what if we made something that could? Monster, certainly not human, but awfully like something you may see something above ground, right?
Muffet: Spider
Undyne: Fish
Asgro, Toriel and Asriel: Goat
Alphys and Monster Kid: Reptile
Grillby: Fire, duh.
You get my point.
Now okay, monsters made by humans, just IMAGINE the MASSIVE panic humans would have upon hearing they can steal your soul. Even if Monsters didn't want to hurt anyone, humans wouldnt care and just want them gone. Just think about it, why would they only NOW unleash war on them? Why not when you first found them?
Monsters' bodies, unlike humans, depend on their SOUL, and also, unlike them, they have no physical matter, this gives them the opportunity to 'express themselves through magic'. Since humans CAN use magic, changing form with magic, is the only thing I can think of that humans can't do.
Now you following along? Good.
Colors in when fighting mean something.
Your human soul is in color.
Every monster you meet is in black and white.
Monsters souls have no color despite having obvious traits. Like, kindness and bravery.
The ONLY time do you see ANY color, when fighting, is in a few selected battles, like, Asgro (his weopon), Asriel (almost everything, Undyne (the spears), Omega Flowey (everthing), Pap (blue attacks).
Now, what if everything in COLOR in battles is, HUMAN RELATED?
Asgro's weapon is in color because he was around before the War and was taught that type of magic attack, more specfically a HUMAN magic attack (this is before the War happened), this is why he is one of the strongest monsters in PACFIST, but COULD be stronger if he only wanted to fight you.
Undyne's spears are in color because she was taught HUMAN magic attacks by Asgro, this is why it was so tough to learn.
And Pap was trained by Undyne, this is why he has blue attacks, he was probably trained Gaster as well.
Omega Flowey's body is in color (and attacks) because he is using the HUMAN souls to become that way (it is not his true form) (the attacks are in color because he has the human souls).
Asriel's attacks and the area AROUND HIM are in color because he has the human souls, but his actual monster body never changes color because despite it all....he's still himself, a monster.
ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
Sans blood is in color, meaning it's HUMAN blood.
Already talked about my color theory. So now your asking,"Well, why wasnt his whole body in color?!", hold your buttcheeks I figured it out.
You never actually see Sans, you only see his clothes, monster clothes, the time you actually see him is through his eye and blood, why do you think they're in color?
Why you didn't see Sans soul when Asriel broke the barrier.
Its because Sans has no soul, don't worry, I'll explain later.
Why it says,"Lost Soul", for Sans if he doesn't have a soul.
I'll explain everything about Sans missing soul in the story.
Why you heard Sans turn to dust.
It's actually the same sound you get when you spare something, Sans probably spared you.
Why you didnt see Sans dead human body.
One of these two things happened:
1. Sans teleported away. (Unlikely since he walked away instead of teleported.)
2. Sans hid behind one of the pillars in Judgement Hall, like Toriel did in The Ruins. (Likely.)
Why your kill count doesn't increase when you kill Sans.
I believe the kill count only counts how many MONSTERS you've killed.
OR.
Maybe Sans didn't die. (very unlikely)
Why Sans was acting weird around Toriel.
It's because he has to act like he doesn't know her, and that they havent met before (not talking about when he speaks with her through the door).
When Tori says,"Its nice to finally meet you!" Sans replys with,"Uh...yea, same.", he sounds rather akward doesnt he? This may not be solid proof but he IS rather nervous when he says that ONE statement, he doesnt sound like that NO WHERE ELSE, and no, get your Soriel ♥♥♥♥ out of here.
The Undertale Demo
Note: This was the demo and Toby probably changed it.
Sans and Papyrus are shown at the Underatale Demo. Sans then drinks some kind of juice and it goes START through him. This is the key, that juice went through him, that ketchap (that sans drank at Grillbys) should have done the same, it didnt. This should be a HUGE blue stop sign for us. because It's obvious skeletons dont eat, yet Sans does, and maybe Toby did this on purpose.
THIS IS THE END OF PART ONE.
READ NEXT PART FOR CONTINUATION
Sans knows Chara.
There is only one reason Sans wanted to kill you, its because he knew you were Chara. A souless being, someone who can Reset, and he wanted you gone.
And Sans hadn't lied to Toriel about protecting you, because yhe only thing Sans was protecting you from, was himself.
Sans knew Chara and this is proven in his fight.
"c'mon, buddy. do you remember me? please, if you're listening... let's forget all of this, ok? just lay down your weapon, and... well, my job will be a lot easier."
Sans knew Chara was listening, the same way Flowey knew you were Chara.
That means Sans used to know Chara.
"the memory of someone who once wanted to do the right thing."
Key word, MEMORY. Asriel is just a memory trapped in a flower, he isnt actually Asriel, same with Chara, they are just memories.
"someone who, in another time, might have even been... a friend?"
Sans wasn't talking about the Pacfist Run, he was talking about the time Chara was still alive.
And if you spare him...
"... you're sparing me? finally. buddy. pal. i know how hard it must be... to make that choice. to go back on everything you've worked up to. i want you to know... i won't let it go to waste. ... c'mere, pal."
"i know how hard it must be. . . to make that choice."
And another time.
"you must really wanna go home. hey, i know the feeling, buddo. though. . . maybe sometimes it's better to take whats given to you. down here, you already got food, drink, friends. . . is what you have to do. . . really worth it?
Sans knows, he knows how it feels to make that choice, to go back on everything you've worked up to.
AND OMG I JUST HAD A REALIZATION.
Sans knew what was coming after you killed everyone, he even warns you! Does that mean...Sans had done a Geno Run before? (oh well, I lyterally just had this though, I'll think about it more later)
So, what was Chara working up to? How was that choice hard? Then, while i as playing Undertale, it hit me.
When does Asriel get his soul back? When he has the value of seven human souls. THAT was what Chara wanted, their SOUL back. They were working toward that with Frisk's help. Power. The power to become a GOD. The Power to bring someones soul back to life, that power, that's what Chara wanted. But then I saw that last sentence....
"everything you've worked up to. i want you to know... i won't let it go to waste."
That sentence...it's so odd. He wont let it go to waste? What did Sans even me-
oh.
Sans wanted his soul back, too.
(Sans also could automatically tell if you were human, he could also tell when you WEREN'T so don't give me that,"The reason he knew you were human was because he has seen humans before.", ♥♥♥♥.)
Ah, Sans, a person in a deep state of depression because of the timelines reseting, oh, if only Sans could stop time, wait, he can already do that.
Proof? Its right here, at Grillbys, when you have your first talk with Sans.
(Grillby, is shown to be one of the only monsters to be constanly moving, and for a good reason.)
Sans takes us to Grilbys on his break so he can "talk" to us (more like scare the living ♥♥♥♥ out of us!), he then cast some dark shadow around us so no one can hear him talk, you look around in suprise and see, oh dear! Grilby isnt moving! His flames arent moving at all!
Apparently, Sans had stopped time.
After much research on the idea of stopping time and how light works, ive probably figrued it out.
THE SINGULARYITY THEORY
Imagine a long string, thats your timeline. The end of the string is present time. Twenty minutes ago a bomb went off, thats the middle of the string. You go back before the bomb blow up, you are now at the beginning of the string.
You cant stop the bomb no matter how hard you try, it always blows. Why? Look at that string. If the event on the middle of the string NEVER happens, then why would you go back in time to stop it? You wouldnt. You cant go back in time to stop a bomb that never exploded.
Time is set in stone here, you can not change the moments you are experiencing right now.
The past is not changable.
OR
THE MULITIVERSE
Imagine two strings in front of you, the top one is your timeline. A bomb goes off. You go back to stop it, BUT, the thing is. You now have moved down to the second string, ANOTHER timeline, where you CAN change the past because your original self isn't on that timeline.
Stopping the bomb is successful here.
You can change the past here.
An infinite amount of univeres exist.
Different timelines contain different events (Example. The Underswap universe and Underfell)
You may or may not meet another you.
Mutiple possiblities exist.
The Multiverse is what exists in Undertale. Proof? The Fun values and Sans quote,"Dont tell that to the other Sans."
The Fun values are different timelines, and each time you RESET you jump to another one. And on each different timeline something, DIFFERENT happens. It may not be a signifigant change but its small. Its the time you got called to deliever a pizza, or the time someone called a wrong phone number, or the time someone wasnt exactly where they should have been. Its the time when Ga- oh, sorry, its rude to talk about those who are listening.
Now on to how light works along with time.
Faster then light travel is certainly possible, because light is a illusion.
Imagine you look at the moon through a telescope. You ARE NOT seeing the moon in its present position, because it took the light particles awhile to get to you, for you to actually see the moon.
Positions of planets and stars move on with or without you being able to see it.
EX. Your brain only see things a few microseconds AFTER the light hits your eyes. Take it as this, you live in the past. You SEE the past.
Here's another good example:
The sun blows up at this EXACT moment, you wouldn't know. No big explosion will happen for awhile, why? Sunlight takes exactly, 8 mins and 20 secs to reach earth, meaning you wouldn't even SEE the explosion to 8 mins and 20 secs AFTER it had actually happened, and the shockwave would take much longer to reach you. So that being said, the further you go away from earth, the longer it takes the light of suns super far away to reach you, meaning the further you go, the further you live in the past. This means that times moves on, and things happen, with or without us actually see them happening.
The reason I'm explaining this is because Sans messes with light the first time you 'see' him.
Sans had stopped time around his body when he first meet you, in the process he created a kind of,'black hole effect', light goes in, none comes out, causing you to only see a black figrue walking your way.
How Sans can stop time, and what else he can do.
So far we know this much.
Shown when he stops time at Grillby's.
Shown when Asgro couldnt dodge you (but could somehow dodge Undyne), yet Sans can move so fast in a split second. We see Sans still moving so he hadnt stopped time.
Shown again at Grillbys.
No need to explain this.
Under Sans door is a stange light, yet when you walk inside, there is no light, and trust me, you arent in Sans room. Try walking right or left immeditly upon entering the room, you wont hit any wall and it would be impossible to get to the treadmill from there.
So... how can San do this? How can he control time, I thought only people who could Reset, Save, and Load, could do that, or...maybe Sans can already do that?
Maybe he has been tricking you all this time, oh, thats not like Sans, you say?
Well, we'll see about that.
END OF PART 2. STORY OF SANS, PAP, AND GASTER COMING NEXT.
Such a small sentence, such a big meaning.
Imagine such a twist it would be if Sans was actually a human! Or...mostly. Okay, okay, I'll explain Sans' story now.
Sans, a lone child fallen into the underground (around the same time Chara had), but unlike Chara, this child was much more FRAGILE, resulting in their death being certain the moment they had fallen down. So, they died upon impact.
Somewhere else in the underground...
Gaster was in the True Lab, experimenting with DETERMINATION, along with the Timelines. One day, he was brought the dead corpse of a human, curious, Gaster injected the human's body with Determination, resulting in this human no longer having a soul but they were once again alive.
Now, let me make this clear, Alyphys DID NOT, come up with the things involving Determination, she writes in one of her...uh...reports? "Using the BLUEPRINTS, I extracted the Determination.", she hadn't come up with it, she was using BLUEPRINTS, ones similar to the ones found in Sans workshop. Meaning someone else had come up with the idea, and the sentence is written in a way the hints that she had known about these blueprints.
Sans, now back from the dead (but is still kinda dead inside), was introduced to the underground, Toriel, Asgro, Chara, Asriel, and many more monsters. He quickly bonded with Pap despite having no soul, and Sans grew to somewhat,'care', about him.
(Flowey also cared about Chara, he says,"There's only ONE other person I care about anymore, but even then I couldn't TRULY care about them.". It's the same with Sans, why do you think Sans even LETS you kill Pap, he may hate you for it but he never stops you.)
Sans, Gaster and Pap did some kind of experiments on the timeline, I think personally, to go back before the war between monsters and humans had ever happened, and stop it. Gaster may have figured out timelines but he could never have controlled them, this is where Sans comes in.
NOTE: Gaster was still alive when the Alagamates were made, since the order of the Entry Number 17 comes after the alagmates. I think Gaster died soon after Entry 17.
Now, think about it, there are probably MUCH MORE determined people then Flowey out there, or Chara, so why did only YOU have control? For the games sake? I think not.
My theory is only SOULESS creatures can mess with time, I mean think about it, they THEMSELVES are a mess in the timeline, they are supposed to be DEAD yet here are Asriel and Chara walking around breathing and living as if death never happened.
Here's an example of someone who has much more Determination then you:
Undyne the Undying. She refused laws and physics and made her own DETERMINATION.(maybe)
Undyne, something that can't have Determination unless injected with it, refused that very law and made her own. She even refused death. So why couldn't she take over the timeline? Because, she has a Soul.
Do you have more then one Souless creature? The one who rules is the one with the most determination, the feeling.
Now, Sans, a Souless creature, hasn't actually died after he 'woke up'. Which makes him incapable of knowing he can Reset the timeline, resulting in Flowey easily taking control. Oh Flowey? Sorry I forgot to explain him.
After Asriel and Chara died, Alphys, who was working with Gaster and Sans (perhaps Pap as well?), was quite interested with Sans, a human brought back from the dead. Realizing she could bring back Chara and possibly Asriel, experimented first before actually telling Asgro, resulting in the whole,"I haven't told Asgro.", and,"I want it to be a surprise.". She injected a flower with Determination to see if it would come back alive, when she found it had simplify dissappered she gave up any hopes and forgot about the whole thing. Little did she know...
Flowey was enraged, why had HIS sibling had died? Why not that,"smiley trash-bag"!? So, Asriel, furious Sans had a family and not him, killed Gaster. But no, his rage didn't end there, Flowey took everyone's memories of Sans and Pap away, even Gaster.
"Imagine a world where everything is the same, except you don't exist."
"They just...showed up one day."
"Don't forget."
"I gave up trying to go back."
But thanks to having no soul, Sans wasn't really fazed upon the death of Gaster. This explains why Flowey is so furious that Sans is always smiling (or maybe he's furious because Sans can be happy and he can't, but we all know Sans isnt happy.)
That's basically the long or short of it.
Doesn't sound like Sans? Well imagine this, if Sans can control time, and he has no soul, giving him the capability to control resets, wouldn't he want that power? The power to bring his family back, even to possibly go back before he had fallen down. Now think, if Sans can already control time, who says he can't already RESET.
Who says Sans isn't already like Flowey.
Bored...and waiting for something NEW.
This also explains why Asriel, the flower, hasn't died of old age either, and flowers dont even live long.
Okay im done, goodbye.
Anyways I think Sans is older. Not only does he seem the more mature, but I think Toby mentioned in a twitter post that Papyrus would give him a certain title in a japanese translation. Which in turn is a title meant for elder siblings and tends to be used in a respectful manner.
Edit: forgot to mention this, but I'd also like to point out that Sans is the one who pays the rent and bills for the house, which coincides with him keeping at least four sentry jobs and trying to earn an extra buck by selling hot dogs. He also let Papyrus have the bigger bedroom, while caring minimally for himself.
Such adoration and dedication, I believe, does not come so easily from a younger brother. Then again, they are both adults, and we do not know anything about their past and therefore the reasons behind their behavior. We do know that the both of them love each other very much, from Papyrus prodding Sans to better himself, to Sans adoring Papyrus so much that he wants nothing but the best for him.
One might even argue that they are of the same age.