So, why is Frisk considered good?

[Covfefe]

Okay, Chara aside (there is already a plenty of these discussions), let's talk about Frisk.
Frisk can murder almost everyone in the Underground, even though the game doesn't count it as a properly made Genocide Route. Even Chara doesn't say "It's me" in those cruel Neutral Routes.
After Chara destroyed the world, Frisk can sell them their own soul. Just think of it. Frisk sells their soul to some demonlike creature who has just destroyed the world.
Frisk can make another Genocide. Even Chara themself can't understand why Frisk keeps destroying and restoring the world.
But still, Frisk is usually associated with the Pacifist Route. Yes, it is the only one Route where we can see Frisk telling their name, but it doesn't prove that other Routes are being made not by Frisk.
I'd say, Frisk is the most cruel character in the game. They can reset the world just because they are getting bored. They can make Genocide for the second time just with the matter to see what Chara would say. Kill everybody twice just because of untamed curiosity!
In this part I assume the "Frisk = the player" conception.

[Blikk]

Yep. It's pretty much up to the player. Frisk can both be considered good and evil. The only reason Frisk might be associated more with the good ending is because of the focus on Chara in the bad one.

[Covfefe]

Originally posted by Bad₩olf:

Yep. It's pretty much up to the player. Frisk can both be considered good and evil. The only reason Frisk might be associated more with the good ending is because of the focus on Chara in the bad one.

That's why I prefer to associate Asriel with the good ending.

[Plastic Shitlord]

Frisk is the player's body. Chara is the player's mind.

[Covfefe]

Originally posted by Plastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Frisk is the player's body. Chara is the player's mind.

So, the player's mind wants the soul of the player's body?
The player's mind doesn't understand the player's body?

[WaddlerKing]

yeah, finnaly, someone who thinks [and nkows] that frisk isn't completly inocent, no one but frisk on nutral guys XD

[Goblin]

If we are doing D&D alignments.
They would be True Neutral.

[LegendaireNic]

Originally posted by its_dat_chicken_man:

yeah, finnaly, someone who thinks [and nkows] that frisk isn't completly inocent, no one but frisk on nutral guys XD

Look, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that thinks his headcanon is canon.

Tipical

[Covfefe]

Originally posted by its_dat_chicken_man:

no one but frisk on nutral guys XD

I didn't understand the quoted part...

[DanEgbert]

For me, the reason why Frisk is considered good is because of a quote from Asriel.

"You really ARE different from Chara.
In fact, though you have similar, uh, fashion choices...
I don't know why I ever acted as if you were the same person.
Maybe...
The truth is Chara wasn't really the greatest person.
While, Frisk...
You're the type of friend I wish I always had."

And Flowey saying.
"Please, just let Frisk live a good life."

The Asriel one is specific because no matter what, no matter how many people you kill and RESET, even aborted genocide runs, he still knows you're good because of the effort and feelings you put in the characters to SAVE them. Flowey proves that Frisk is different than the Player.

[Covfefe]

Originally posted by danman3210:

For me, the reason why Frisk is considered good is because of a quote from Asriel.

"You really ARE different from Chara.
In fact, though you have similar, uh, fashion choices...
I don't know why I ever acted as if you were the same person.
Maybe...
The truth is Chara wasn't really the greatest person.
While, Frisk...
You're the type of friend I wish I always had."

And Flowey saying.
"Please, just let Frisk live a good life."

The Asriel one is specific because no matter what, no matter how many people you kill and RESET, even aborted genocide runs, he still knows you're good because of the effort and feelings you put in the characters to SAVE them. Flowey proves that Frisk is different than the Player.

I don't think that the scene after the Pacifist ending proves that Frisk is different than the player. It might be, Flowey thinks he is referring to Chara, but he is still referring to Frisk.
Also, the Pacifist Route, as it seems, is supposed to be passed first. When the player does Genocide, Flowey can't see any difference between Frisk and Chara till the end. It's Chara who will say later that we are different, because they have been with us all the time and knows us better than Flowey, whose memories were wiped out. But Chara, by saying that we are different with them, implies the opposite thing than Asriel did.

[DanEgbert]

Originally posted by Bambai:

Originally posted by danman3210:

For me, the reason why Frisk is considered good is because of a quote from Asriel.

"You really ARE different from Chara.
In fact, though you have similar, uh, fashion choices...
I don't know why I ever acted as if you were the same person.
Maybe...
The truth is Chara wasn't really the greatest person.
While, Frisk...
You're the type of friend I wish I always had."

And Flowey saying.
"Please, just let Frisk live a good life."

The Asriel one is specific because no matter what, no matter how many people you kill and RESET, even aborted genocide runs, he still knows you're good because of the effort and feelings you put in the characters to SAVE them. Flowey proves that Frisk is different than the Player.

I don't think that the scene after the Pacifist ending proves that Frisk is different than the player. It might be, Flowey thinks he is referring to Chara, but he is still referring to Frisk.
Also, the Pacifist Route, as it seems, is supposed to be passed first. When the player does Genocide, Flowey can't see any difference between Frisk and Chara till the end. It's Chara who will say later that we are different, because they have been with us all the time and knows us better than Flowey, whose memories were wiped out. But Chara, by saying that we are different with them, implies the opposite thing than Asriel did.

Well we know that he isn't referring to Frisk. Frisk is still with Toriel, walking to the closest village. While Flowey is still Underground. Besides, we are never in 1st Person. Always 3rd. Even in the fight screen. Also, I know that the True Pacifist is done first. I was saying that no matter what neutral runs you do, even if you kill everyone except one, even if you do genocide and abort it, he still says that you are a good person. He still has Flowey's memories, he knows that you killed people in neutral timelines, but his answer is still the same. You put so much love into SAVEing everyone, that he knows that you are a nice person. Finally, Chara saying that we were different, doesn't mean exactly that we are evil. It could mean a wide variety of things. Anywhere from you're good and I'm not to you have a SOUL and I don't.

[Plasmix]

To me In the genocide route your Chara, and In the Pasifist Route your Frisk. But at the same time, Frisk does kill some monsters in the nutreal route...

[Plastic Shitlord]

Originally posted by Bambai:

Originally posted by Plastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Frisk is the player's body. Chara is the player's mind.

So, the player's mind wants the soul of the player's body?
The player's mind doesn't understand the player's body?

It's a metaphor
You're fully responsible for Frisk's actions. Chara's behavior and thoughts change according to them.

Aren't you guys sick of this Chara-is-the-ultimate-evil bs?

[DanEgbert]

Originally posted by Plastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Bambai:

So, the player's mind wants the soul of the player's body?
The player's mind doesn't understand the player's body?

It's a metaphor
You're fully responsible for Frisk's actions. Chara's behavior and thoughts change according to them.

Aren't you guys sick of this Chara-is-the-ultimate-evil bs?

No

[VoidIris1268]

Frisk is as good or evil as any other protag in a RPG with moral choices, which is to say their "alignment" changes with the playthrough.

Originally posted by Plastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by Bambai:

So, the player's mind wants the soul of the player's body?
The player's mind doesn't understand the player's body?

It's a metaphor
You're fully responsible for Frisk's actions. Chara's behavior and thoughts change according to them.

Aren't you guys sick of this Chara-is-the-ultimate-evil bs?

It's a metaphor that completely butchers the point the game drives into your head throughout it, namely "Your actions have consequences."

Turns out you can't truly punish people for playing a vidya game.