Sushi Nest - Final Level

[Xebarsis]

Holy crap. Does anyone who has gold medaled the last Sushi Nest stage have any advice on how to gold medal it? With only one side item, and zero items that actually take time to cook, I simply can't keep up. If I have to wash dishes during the rush, it also may as well be an instant game over.

I don't see what else I can do besides "git gud."

[Xebarsis]

Originally posted by chubigans:

Gosh that is a great video! You know, after thinking about it, maybe it does need a little bit of rebalancing. What if I added a small extra side like Side Salad?

I agree that a second side dish is needed, but I'm not sure if a side salad would stick with the sushi restaurant theme. I think reusing any of the other side dishes that were in the previous levels would be fine. (Egg drop soup, egg rolls, fried rice, or white rice.)

Yes, that would make it easier, but comparing it with the other restaurants in the game, it would still make it harder than most of the others since sushi and sashimi is always a different recipe.

Originally posted by andrewb:

Pleas don't, I wanna try it like it is now first. If you wanna do something about that level, make it unlock earlier :tgrin:

Bah, if chubigans adds on a second side dish, you can just play with one side dish and it'll be the exact same!

[Celebrimbor]

I just became Secret Ninja after 2 hours of (hard) practising. It's doable but you cannot hesitate.
I baiscally memorised all the Sushi recipes (Champ= RESC-F, Ocean=RUAC-WN ....); the Sashimi I did not memorise.
Refresh the sides at 11 and 17 o'clock and save some "easy" customers (do not serve customers 1-4 until Rushhour .... that way, you don't get 10 customers with the same timer at once).
Good luck! (and you will need luck: with my strategy I fell too much behind when I got 6+ sahimis during Rushhour, -> restart day)

[Rohsiph]

I was trying to make this one of my very rare 'fully completed' games, but think I'm gonna throw in the towel on this one. I've managed to make it through this challenge with only three mistakes, but it feels like it's going to take too much work to get a perfect day.

Might check back to see if the difficulty is tweaked in the future. One fewer station, or one extra side and I'll give it a couple more tries. For now, though, I think its time to move on.

[Terotrous]

I have the same feeling about the last levels of Chilly Bowl. There's a couple levels in the game where the difficulty level is clearly somewhat out of line with the others. I play this game with mouse / keyboard controls, and I literally don't think some of these levels are possible with this control setup, which probably means the difficulty is tuned a bit too high.

[andrewb]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

I have the same feeling about the last levels of Chilly Bowl. There's a couple levels in the game where the difficulty level is clearly somewhat out of line with the others. I play this game with mouse / keyboard controls, and I literally don't think some of these levels are possible with this control setup, which probably means the difficulty is tuned a bit too high.

Why use both mouse and keyboard when keyboard alone is so much better and faster? You can use this game as an opportunity and motivation to get better at typing, like I did. Before I started playing, I could not touch type numbers at all because I was used to always using the numpad but this game forced me to learn the number row and I am completely fine and happy about that.

I mean unless you have some sort of health condition that forces you to use both mouse and keyboard there really is no excuse to use both I'm afraid.

[chubigans]

Now that I've gotten v1.1 released I'll be looking at these levels more closely and adjust balancing for the next update.

[Rcraft]

If Sushi Nest's last level gets nerfed, I'd be concerned!

I understand that since it's an achievement that it has to be attanable by more than a super-subset of players.

But if you take away the challenge of this level in the name of the achievement, I would hope that additional "harder" levels get added as compensation (even if they aren't tied to achievements). Just my opinion, though - I can also probably get the same sense of challenge by constructing my own stress kitchen menu. It's just a bit different than clearing a C4H mission that's been preset for me ;)

[andrewb]

Originally posted by Rcraft:

If Sushi Nest's last level gets nerfed, I'd be concerned!

I understand that since it's an achievement that it has to be attanable by more than a super-subset of players.

But if you take away the challenge of this level in the name of the achievement, I would hope that additional "harder" levels get added as compensation (even if they aren't tied to achievements). Just my opinion, though - I can also probably get the same sense of challenge by constructing my own stress kitchen menu. It's just a bit different than clearing a C4H mission that's been preset for me ;)

I would agree with this. Mind you I hate all the "git gud" comments and generally am the first one to call people out for saying that. The thing is, this game does NOT lock content away behind extremely hard challenges. People can access pretty much everything and play the game as casually as they like. Leave the achievements for the ones who strive to master the game. That's why it's called an achievement after all. The last sushi shift is hard but it's far from impossible, it does not need tweaking.

[chubigans]

Ok, I'll leave it alone for now then.

[Fen]

Originally posted by chubigans:

Ok, I'll leave it alone for now then. :csdsmile:

The only reason he's saying that is because he unlocked the acheivement already. No one wants an achievement nerfed after they earned it, but for many players this one is simply out of reach. Taking what he says at face value is essentially giving into the 0.2% ;p

he also said this:
"I mean unless you have some sort of health condition that forces you to use both mouse and keyboard there really is no excuse to use both I'm afraid."

He calls using any other method other than keyboard "an excuse." It should be pointed out that this level can pretty much only be finished with the keyboard alone, which I would say is a problem, since the game was designed for multiple peripherals.

The best solution is probably to tweak it so it's at least beatable with other setups. Anyone can still only use the one prep station or whatever to increase their personal challenge.

The last game was entirely 100%able with the mouse and keyboard together.

[andrewb]

Some games play better with certain peripherals. That's just the way it is. Fighting games are best with a fight stick, driving games with a wheel and CSD2, well, the very nature of the game just screams for keyboard. Use both mouse and keyboard and you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Also you might notice further up in this thread, I commented I did not want the final sushi shift to be tweaked even before I got the achievement.

Like I said, this game does not lock content away behind extremely hard challenges, the only thing that is locked behind a difficult challenge is the achievement and that is exactly what an achievement should be

If you, I don't know, couldn't put any of the Japanese dishes in your restaurant if you hadn't gotten gold on this shift, then I would be all for nerfing it to the ground because it is very difficult, possibly "out of reach" for people who don't want to put dozens of hours into the game and prohibiting people from accessing these dishes just because they don't want to spend hours learning sushi and sashimi would be just dumb and cruel.

But the game doesn't do that, does it now?. AFAIK You unlock all the dishes just by leveling up which can be done without getting gold, or any medal on C4H shifts. You can access everything just by playing the game in any of the available modes. Requiring something to get easier for the solitary reason of getting an achievement is just being entitled. You are not missing out on anything and if you feel like you are, well you better ditch that mouse and get practicing.

[DrIstvaan]

Originally posted by andrewb:

[...]

Like I said, this game does not lock content away behind extremely hard challenges, the only thing that is locked behind a difficult challenge is the achievement and that is exactly what an achievement should be[...]AFAIK You unlock all the dishes just by leveling up which can be done without getting gold, or any medal on C4H shifts. You can access everything just by playing the game in any of the available modes.[...]

I am not 100% sure, but I have a strong impression that you do actually need to get all gold medals to unlock everything.
(I'm not at my own PC right now, but I definitely remember I still have more locked food than what will be unlocked just by leveling up.)

[andrewb]

I'm not sure about that either tbh. I don't play anything but C4H, I thought you unlock food just by leveling. I might be wrong on that.

[Petite Fleur Sasha]

Originally posted by Fen:

Originally posted by chubigans:

Ok, I'll leave it alone for now then.

The only reason he's saying that is because he unlocked the acheivement already. No one wants an achievement nerfed after they earned it, but for many players this one is simply out of reach. Taking what he says at face value is essentially giving into the 0.2% ;p

he also said this:
"I mean unless you have some sort of health condition that forces you to use both mouse and keyboard there really is no excuse to use both I'm afraid."

He calls using any other method other than keyboard "an excuse." It should be pointed out that this level can pretty much only be finished with the keyboard alone, which I would say is a problem, since the game was designed for multiple peripherals.

The best solution is probably to tweak it so it's at least beatable with other setups. Anyone can still only use the one prep station or whatever to increase their personal challenge.

The last game was entirely 100%able with the mouse and keyboard together.

I am with you on this one, couldn't phrase it better myself. I really hope you won't be limited to get gud with keyboard only or just leave golden10th shift unobtainable if you play with mouse or controller.

[DrIstvaan]

Originally posted by andrewb:

I'm not sure about that either tbh. I don't play anything but C4H, I thought you unlock food just by leveling. I might be wrong on that.

I'll check how many food I still have locked - but I'm at level 83, meaning a total of 6 food will be unlocked and I'm certain I have many more than that locked. I assume I'll still get some for completing the # of perfect days chain, but that'll be probably only 1-3 more, which still won't be enough to unlock everything.