Is this the 'Best' available version of Fallout 1 & 2?

[Wombo Combo]

At least in terms of bugs, glitches, censorship, compatibility with mods, etc.

I've seen some discussion about a "fixt" version, due to spontaneous save losses. I'm guessing that's a QOL mod?

I'm a western user (US), so I wouldn't think that I'd be marked for a censored version.

[kud1]

Officially?
This (and the version from GoG which I don't think is any different) is the most patched version of the game, it even has sfall installed which allows you to change the resolution.
Unofficially?
The developers left a lot of bugs and imperfections in the game, which have been patched by modders. Therefore, if you want to play vanilla it is mandatory to install unofficial patches.
And even better, download any of the mods such as Fallout Fixt, or Et Tu. This is for Fallout 1.
For Fallout 2 you download either Unofficial Patch Updated or Restoration Project Updated. But not both at the same time, because the first mod contains only bug fixes, and the second contains bug fixes plus restores cut content.

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by kud1:

Therefore, if you want to play vanilla it is mandatory to install unofficial patches.

For Fallout 1 ?
No

[kud1]

Hmm? Just because the game is playable doesn't mean bug fixes won't come in handy. Especially since the “clean” version is censored (no children).

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by kud1:

Hmm? Just because the game is playable doesn't mean bug fixes won't come in handy. Especially since the “clean” version is censored (no children).

Thats not enough to call it mandatory

[Dumah]

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

Thats not enough to call it mandatory

- except it is. UK version of FO1 ( which is sold in Steam ) is censored, so in order to get version intended by original devs you at least need to remove censorship with coresponding fan patches. That is without mentioning QOL improvements provided by Sfall, widescreen fixes from built in HiRes patches, teamX unofficial patches and Sduibek fixes for Hub and Followers endings.

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

Thats not enough to call it mandatory

- except it is. UK version of FO1 ( which is sold in Steam ) is censored, so in order to get version intended by original devs you at least need to remove censorship with coresponding fan patches. That is without mentioning QOL improvements provided by Sfall, widescreen fixes from built in HiRes patches, teamX unofficial patches and Sduibek fixes for Hub and Followers endings.

Removing the censor, adding cut content and small fixes are not required to play and enjoy the game.

It doesn't matter how you put it, this isnt Fallout 2 where it can be extremely broken without mods

To agree with you, I need to remove nearly 300 hours of playtime that went pretty smoothly.

[Yikes]

modding is half the fun of gameing doe. nothing worse then being 60 hours deep into a rpg only to learn it had an unofficial patch this whole time just not on nexus mods. happens to me a decent amount its crazy how far some mods go to improve the game some with decades of development. just plug and play is a console mentality


some examples of this happening recently

found this while playing the game randomly looking for a 100% guide on steam
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827735670

also just from randomly viewing the forums i found a patch for this old jrpg too while playing
https://steamcommunity.com/app/253940/discussions/0/792923683612848741/

[Dumah]

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

Removing the censor, adding cut content and small fixes are not required to play and enjoy the game.

- it is. Because censored version doesnt provide intended experience. QOL provided by Sfall is mandatory at least for players sanity when you organising your inventory - mouse scrolling and take all button rule. Without Sduibek fixes Hub and Followers have only non canon bad endings.

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

It doesn't matter how you put it, this isnt Fallout 2 where it can be extremely broken without mods

- except i had to terminate my previous 100+ hours game because all my saves got corrupted. Very non broken, yes.

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

To agree with you, I need to remove nearly 300 hours of playtime that went pretty smoothly.

- you are playing with HiRes patch, bub, it is built in in Steam and GoG version. Its not a vanilla experience already.

By your reasoning no game would need any patches/fixes because some sob will always find it smooth no matter what.

[babuk.fracal]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

Removing the censor, adding cut content and small fixes are not required to play and enjoy the game.

- it is. Because censored version doesnt provide intended experience. QOL provided by Sfall is mandatory at least for players sanity when you organising your inventory - mouse scrolling and take all button rule. Without Sduibek fixes Hub and Followers have only non canon bad endings.

That still doesn't change the fact that these are only improvements, you talk about those as if the game become unplayable without them.

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

It doesn't matter how you put it, this isnt Fallout 2 where it can be extremely broken without mods

- except i had to terminate my previous 100+ hours game because all my saves got corrupted. Very non broken, yes.

And I suppose you are not going to give any context about this

Or the fact that you are not going to compare the few bugs that can be encountered to the absolute mess that is Fallout 2

Or take into account the fact that losing 100 hours in Fallout 1 isn't as meaningfull as you make it to be depending on what they contain
(Also lol, even modern games can be pretty bad about these kind of thing, pretty sure my chances of finding a AAA with as many bugs if not more are pretty high )

Like, you are talking to someone who made multiple characters using only one save slot and then replacing it with the next character

Multiple characters without saving where if I simply accepted their death

And only a few level max character that used multiple saves slots.

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by babuk.fracal:

To agree with you, I need to remove nearly 300 hours of playtime that went pretty smoothly.

- you are playing with HiRes patch, bub, it is built in in Steam and GoG version. Its not a vanilla experience already.

By your reasoning no game would need any patches/fixes because some sob will always find it smooth no matter what.

Its a thread about Fallout 1 on Steam
OP is talking about this version.
I am saying its not mandatory to install mods for THIS version

Also quite weird to compare modding to patches that are built in.

And I am not saying you SHOULDN'T install mods
I am saying you dont have to.

What you are saying is pointless and you trying to make me a villain of whatever narrative you have in your head.

[kud1]

Well, maybe they are not "mandatory", but they certainly significantly increase the enjoyment of the game, and that is what counts.
Both F1 and F2 are playable from start to finish, but mods and unofficial patches make the gameplay much more enjoyable.