Empyrion - Galactic Survival

Empyrion - Galactic Survival

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i personally dont think that this game should leave early access just yet
I'm a big fan of the game, i've played it with friends and alone for a long time, but now seeing that its about to come out of early access was a bit of a surprise

The game hasnt even reached beta stages and was always considered as an alpha

The game, while it has quite a lot of content still needs a lot of polish before it can be considered as 1.0, especially in the sound department, the amount of stock sounds it has is distracting to me at this point, especially since i hear them outside of this game, overall the sound design of this game needs a big overhaul

The performance is still pretty questionable, while i can run the game easily, many people complain that they cant, and the game itself doesnt look all that demanding graphically either

There are still quite a lot of bugs that need to be fixed, while the game is mostly stable, the game still has a lot of bugs especially in the AI department, from AI not knowing where to go, to drones all spawning in one location and glitching out and all of that

While the game has evolved a lot, i think it has done enough to evolve to a beta version, but not a full release, there is still a lot of work that needs to be done
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Sabaithal Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:11pm 
The devs to consider the game to still be in alpha. Just not 'early access' anymore.

No, I don't understand why either.
supersonic2233 Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
The devs to consider the game to still be in alpha. Just not 'early access' anymore.

No, I don't understand why either.
that doesnt make any sense, if its alpha/beta then it should be early access cause it is not the full product
L37 Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
The devs to consider the game to still be in alpha. Just not 'early access' anymore.

No, I don't understand why either.
Typical reason why EA devs would do that is when they do not want to work on a game anymore. Now this devs say otherwise, but IMO it is safe to assume that what they say is just damage control until proven otherwise by actual updates in future.
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supersonic2233 Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:19pm 
Originally posted by L37:
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
The devs to consider the game to still be in alpha. Just not 'early access' anymore.

No, I don't understand why either.
Typical reason why EA devs would do that is when they do not want to work on a game anymore. Now this devs say otherwise, but IMO it is safe to assume that what they say is just damage control untill proven otherwise by actual updates in future.
i mean the game has been seeing a lot of big additions in the past that shows that the developers care for the game and are not abandoning it, i just dont think its enough for a 1.0 version yet
EMCM Magellan Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:31pm 
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
I'm a big fan of the game, i've played it with friends and alone for a long time, but now seeing that its about to come out of early access was a bit of a surprise

The game hasnt even reached beta stages and was always considered as an alpha

The game, while it has quite a lot of content still needs a lot of polish before it can be considered as 1.0, especially in the sound department, the amount of stock sounds it has is distracting to me at this point, especially since i hear them outside of this game, overall the sound design of this game needs a big overhaul

The performance is still pretty questionable, while i can run the game easily, many people complain that they cant, and the game itself doesnt look all that demanding graphically either

There are still quite a lot of bugs that need to be fixed, while the game is mostly stable, the game still has a lot of bugs especially in the AI department, from AI not knowing where to go, to drones all spawning in one location and glitching out and all of that

While the game has evolved a lot, i think it has done enough to evolve to a beta version, but not a full release, there is still a lot of work that needs to be done

That ship has sailed... they have left Early Access.
You've got it all wrong. The core components of the game are complete. Sure it may not look polished but as they have stated development does not stop there. They've moved from early access because that roadmap is over and whatever they had planned was included.
Sabaithal Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:32pm 
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
The devs to consider the game to still be in alpha. Just not 'early access' anymore.

No, I don't understand why either.
that doesnt make any sense, if its alpha/beta then it should be early access cause it is not the full product
I heard somewhere (don't ask me where, because I think the thread got deleted) that they may have removed the tag due to legal reasons. Something about steam policy if a game remains in EA for too long.

If their statements are any indication, they are still planning to work on the game same as they did before, but now they have to tack a '1.0' tag on it to make things easier to do so, if somewhat confusing for us.
supersonic2233 Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:35pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
that doesnt make any sense, if its alpha/beta then it should be early access cause it is not the full product
I heard somewhere (don't ask me where, because I think the thread got deleted) that they may have removed the tag due to legal reasons. Something about steam policy if a game remains in EA for too long.

If their statements are any indication, they are still planning to work on the game same as they did before, but now they have to tack a '1.0' tag on it to make things easier to do so, if somewhat confusing for us.
would be good if the devs at least clarified that
rucky Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:35pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
that doesnt make any sense, if its alpha/beta then it should be early access cause it is not the full product
I heard somewhere (don't ask me where, because I think the thread got deleted) that they may have removed the tag due to legal reasons. Something about steam policy if a game remains in EA for too long.

I question this.
Look at 7DTD, In EA since December 2013, that is 6.5 years.
... and counting...
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piddlefoot Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:37pm 
Dear Galactic Survivalists!

Today is the day: we are leaving Early Access, starting into the post-Alpha development phase.

This means:
We have removed the Alpha-tag from the build number, as this term was tied to the Early Access phase.
The version will now read 1.x instead of 13.x or 14.x etc. This had to happen as well to make a clear cut.
Everything beyond that, development and refinement of features will stay pretty much the same. The development planning for v1.1 will start soon (after a little, annual summer break) and will also take the feedback and results of the Game Survey 2020 into account!
For those that are new to this topic or in case didn't read the announcements yet, please have a look at the links below for all the info and details!

Initial Announcement:
https://empyriononline.com/threads/empyrion-galactic-survival-leaving-alpha-early-access.94778/

Addressing often-read concerns:
https://empyriononline.com/threads/leaving-alpha-early-access-some-clarifications.94900/

To accompany this step forward, we also updated the trailer in some important details.
piddlefoot Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:38pm 
The reasons?

Plain and simply: We want to leave Early Access on our 5th anniversary release, because we are confident that the game is now in a shape, where it no longer needs that supporting wheels tag. We are not running out of money (most read concern) and there are no dark entities that are forcing us to do that (lots of funny theories :D) .

On the contrary, we are sure the game is playable in quality, although not free of issues, that is simply not reflected anymore by how the meaning of an Early Access tag is understood or talked about even nowadays.

As a consequence, leaving Early Access also means to remove the “Alpha” tags, as they are somehow tied to this stage. But there needs to be some sort of new versioning. While we did not want to proceed with simply counting further up or adding fancy letters, the version counter had no other choice as to being reset to 1.

Why no Beta?

For us, the “Alpha” tag is THE visual statement of the Early Access stage of the game. So it has to go, because we are leaving Early Access. Simple as that.

Of course, in the classic software development, there is a definitive meaning for Alpha, Beta, Full Release, where you put in features in Alpha, fix bugs in Beta and do not change anything relevant (because it might again break your stuff) and then go to a full release. But this is not “classic software development” for cars, medical equipment, elevators or else. And even in the so called A+ Game development, there are literally only very, very few games that let all interested players play a “Game in development”. At least if it’s not 80-90% done already, although those stages are called Alpha or Beta often as well.

We also do not have an investor we need to “develop for” or which pushes us to a certain stage. Eleon Games has successfully bootstrapped the game 100% on its own up to this point, while working with and for the community that helped to actually shape the game a lot. And we possibly could go on like this for years.

That being said, and because we realized that putting in Beta or Dev or Post-Alpha or any other term would in no way have avoided any discussion on that, but also leading to the same expectation discussions, strange reasoning (no, we do not simply want to avoid the 13!) or even conspiracy theories. So we simply have chosen to go with a plain number and deal with the resulting feedback by simply addressing your concerns.

As we always do.

Missing features.. ?

Leaving Early Access DOES NOT mean this is the “final release” or finished by any means, because, as detailed above and in the initial announcement, everything else will literally not change a lot.

In our definition of the Alpha stage, it has had the purpose of bringing in all the features that define the basics and primarily the larger technical basis of the game. Starting from the Database, large planets up to the galaxy addition in Alpha 12.

This type or ‘grade’ of complex, code-breaking features is now completed, which contributed to the decision of leaving Early Access as well.

We are aware that there are dozens of features that are not yet added. All those left out features will be the main context of the upcoming “Post Alpha” content releases.

In the rare case we discuss a feature of the grade and technical complexity of the galaxy for being included in the game, we hope you bear with us adding additional fun to the game on a larger scale even AFTER the version change. ;)

..via paid-DLC?

Because we are reading this quite frequently: There are no current plans to release additional DLC packs anytime soon or in the near future.

We also do not have plans to dive into the Cosmetic-Micotransactions topic of crazy dragon helmets and unicorn suits. If we get to know that there would be a common agreement on the possibility of having that, with the context of supporting the development, we might consider that. If you want to support the game development right at the moment, simply gift some game copies to your friends and help them to make their first steps in Empyrion. ;)

Also: if you bought the game at any stage, you will not have to re-purchase it for any of the upcoming releases. This has always been the case, and this will not change as well.

Roadmap?

This is possibly one of the toughest topics to deal with.

We have always tried to approach an open development policy, which means developing for the community. Being the small team that we are, it is also extremely risky to lay down a roadmap, which promises features in a timed manner we then might not be able to deliver at that point in time. And this is more likely than the other way round. But we are not alone in that struggle. Even game companies in our genre with several times the amount of programmers in one team alone, have had to scrap their public schedules or do not give any new ones anymore.

But we of course know that giving no info is as bad as giving false leading info. So we are currently trying hard to carve out a development plan and a rough “feature list” for the next content update after the version change - as the anniversary release, being so close to Alpha 12, will be merely gadgets and fixing stuff.

There are a few topics floating around already, and we hope to be able to release some of the info just after the version change in early August.

Make good use of the forum topics and suggestion areas, as these often help us to find interesting ideas and of course your opinion on possible features!

Until then, we hope we could ease some of your sorrows and explain the reasoning of the move we made.

Best,
Empyrion Dev Team
Eleon Games
EMCM Magellan Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:39pm 
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
I heard somewhere (don't ask me where, because I think the thread got deleted) that they may have removed the tag due to legal reasons. Something about steam policy if a game remains in EA for too long.

If their statements are any indication, they are still planning to work on the game same as they did before, but now they have to tack a '1.0' tag on it to make things easier to do so, if somewhat confusing for us.
would be good if the devs at least clarified that

Folks wouldn't read it anyway, because they have clarified... and even clarified the clarification... yet here we are still.
krb243 Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:42pm 
the front page said Major Update! it's really alpha 12.x not a full release 1.0 update. don't get me wrong, any improvement the devs make is always appreciated, but i thought at the very least the tech tree/leveling would have been addressed. i was looking forward to a full release type of update, not just bug fixes. maybe next year...
Sabaithal Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:43pm 
Originally posted by EMCM Magellan:
Originally posted by supersonic2233:
would be good if the devs at least clarified that

Folks wouldn't read it anyway, because they have clarified... and even clarified the clarification... yet here we are still.
Yeah, they did release an article (viewable in the 'news' section above) clarifying that the 1.0 tag does NOT mean development has stopped. It was pretty thorough.

In fact, I think piddlefoot just copied and pasted the whole thing above.
piddlefoot Aug 5, 2020 @ 12:45pm 
Well its explained above in extreme detail krb243 so what else can they do ?

Would people be happy with an Alpha tag for another 5 years and 7D is in EA for longer so its all fluid with EA or Alpha games.
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