Kingdom Come: Deliverance

Kingdom Come: Deliverance

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Erelin Feb 26, 2019 @ 10:56am
Any normal chance to save Matthew and Fritz?
In the quest Gallows Brothers Andrew said, that maybe if to increase number of guards and tell to ur idiot friends about, maybe they will change opinion and will not raid the quarry. But there is just few solutions: 1) Help "friends" to raid 2) Help them and betray Andrew/all 3 idiots 3) Do nothing and look how friends die. In half of chances they die, in half - I'm the bad guy, who robbed normal ppl. Not any of them I dont like. Why there is no normal solution for changing their mind? WTF
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Marty Chonks Feb 27, 2019 @ 5:46pm 
Originally posted by CloudSeeker:
The problem I have with the quest is that you have to be on the immoral side to even get to that point. I kind of hate when you want to play as someone who refuse all evil quests and they just remain open forever.
What immoral side are you speaking about? Divish and his damn quarry men with their dumb quest "house of god" corrupted my (and many others) frekin game files a while back. If anything you should charge them head on and leave none alive, they all had it coming. Deus le vult!
Poke Feb 28, 2019 @ 12:33am 
Originally posted by odhrain:
The whole quest is railroading of the worst kind, that is not even working half off the time.

First, I did try to save their lives by blocking the guards while they did run away wounded, but they did come back to be slain like the bandits in camps. Then I did exchange the quest money with 3000 coins of my own, without being seen or killing someone, but then I could not tell them that I have the money. Only way to continue the quest was to let them steal the money by them self, but this did mean I had to kill all the guards beforehand, because Mathew and Fritz did attack uncoordinated, had no helmet, and could not defeat a single guard.
You know that there is a "mercy" route to this quest where no one dies? You just simply had to talk to Matthew or Fritz right before they initiate the robbery and there is an option to convince them to distract the guards while you sneak in and steal the money. No one fights, no one dies.

The quest is intended by devs to be frustrating for Henry and you (as a player). The moment F & M detailed you in about the robbery, you are now also guilty of knowing something that you didn't want to know. "A Rock and A Hard Place" and "Gallows Brothers" are there to show the players that their choices really do impact the game world, and that sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

And this quest isn't even the worse one when it comes to choices either. People really should be complaining about the quest "Playing with the Devil" which is 10x sh!ttier than this one. (spoiler) In that quest, you get rebuked even if you did the "right" thing, and get less reputation as a result. The people you've fought off to protect the women were clearly labeled as bandits. But, Henry (for Lord knows why) tells Godwin that he killed woodcutters, and gets rebuked for it. Even if you didn't get involved, Godwin still gets pissed because you just "watched" the women die and didn't help. Like wtf is Henry supposed to do.
Last edited by Poke; Feb 28, 2019 @ 12:34am
Tanya Degurechaff Feb 23, 2020 @ 7:59am 
It was enjoyable watching those dogs hang.
how much are they going to rob from your village?
you've warned them several times to stop being wankers but do they? no, they deserve the noose.
Last edited by Tanya Degurechaff; Feb 23, 2020 @ 7:59am
OnlyOffensive Feb 24, 2020 @ 1:50am 
I have a question: how do you go about framing andrew? two dumbs suggest you do it after robbing the quarry, but i understand you can just steal gold while its in talmberg? Quest actually never suggests you to go there.

So you basically have to plant empty sack, can you get it after robbery? Or only before?
Last edited by OnlyOffensive; Feb 24, 2020 @ 1:51am
Tanya Degurechaff Feb 24, 2020 @ 5:18am 
Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:
I have a question: how do you go about framing andrew? two dumbs suggest you do it after robbing the quarry, but i understand you can just steal gold while its in talmberg? Quest actually never suggests you to go there.

So you basically have to plant empty sack, can you get it after robbery? Or only before?
steal the money from talmberg put the sack in his cellar, either frame him
or BEST OPTION neck all 3. its in the guard tower under a hard lock.
Last edited by Tanya Degurechaff; Feb 24, 2020 @ 5:19am
OnlyOffensive Feb 24, 2020 @ 5:23am 
i take there is no way to frame just 2 clowns? I feel kinda bad for framing andrew, he actually tries to stop it. Maybe i end up just snitching on two of them and watch how miserably they fail.
Tanya Degurechaff Feb 24, 2020 @ 5:50am 
Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:
i take there is no way to frame just 2 clowns? I feel kinda bad for framing andrew, he actually tries to stop it. Maybe i end up just snitching on two of them and watch how miserably they fail.
He makes you steal from a guy who has to clean up ♥♥♥♥ for a living, ♥♥♥♥ him.
OnlyOffensive Feb 24, 2020 @ 5:54am 
what is that? A quest about Adam? He just gives you info. He might be shady, but hes not a thug which those 2 clowns want to be and drag you into that.

The last outcome you speak of is the most scum possible, not only you participate in robbery you rat on the rest JUST to get all the money.

I mean id do that, but Henry doesnt feel like this type of character at all.
Bloodysod Feb 24, 2020 @ 4:15pm 
Lol, friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
OnlyOffensive Feb 24, 2020 @ 4:24pm 
actually it turns out not that bad, good old fashioned thievery, all those two dumbs needed is someone with brain and all happy and live, sad that gallow brothers stick even after successful stealing, i see no point in framing andrew.
Tanya Degurechaff Feb 24, 2020 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:
actually it turns out not that bad, good old fashioned thievery, all those two dumbs needed is someone with brain and all happy and live, sad that gallow brothers stick even after successful stealing, i see no point in framing andrew.
But i wanted to steal his Inn which had literally thousands of Herbs growing around it.
Wanderer Mar 4, 2020 @ 11:34pm 
Okay, I'm going to stick my nose into this. I have a solution that works for me, if you want to, go ahead and try it. YMMV...

So, I stumbled into this quest before understanding how bad the outcomes would be because I'm not in the habit of looking up this sort of thing online as I like a little surprise. My game saves were kind of borked because of how I went about doing other things and didn't want to go all the way back to undo the start of this series of bad events.

So, I was already pissed off about these two lazy good-for-nothings. I went through hell to get three suits, only to end up with my Henry looking foolish and all the big talk leading to nothing (we were supposed to use those disguises to do some good... supposedly). Anyway, I was mad about that quest at first, but later realized the devs are trying to teach that some friends are better left out of our lives. Anyway, to the point...

When I met up with them again, I told them I needed to think about it. I talked to Andrew and started the spill-the-beans questline, but then felt bad about betraying them. I'd just completed the pilgrimage for Johanka and really didn't want to return to a life of thievery. What to do to save my friends? I reported the crime to Robard so they'd be ready, but then set out to save them if I could, hoping they wouldn't be so stupid as to run in and get stomped. No such luck on that angle, so what to do? I also told them Andrew had ratted them out, hoping they'd think twice about continuing on. No such luck. Finally, I refused to join in while we were talking on the hill above the quarry. That's when a solution came to me.

Going to visit them a day or two before the robbery on that hill over the quarry at their camp, I went in about 7 a.m. I noticed that about 8 or 9 a.m., one of them leaves their camp to go have a look over the quarry. Springing into action, I knocked the other one out from behind, then quickly crept over to the other at his lookout and knocked him out as well, carrying him back to their camp. Once there, I looted their bodies down to underwear and left them. Moving down to the quarry, I kept watch, wondering if they'd still be stupid enough to rush out from hiding to their doom. After a short wait, I could see one of them in his underwear standing in the lookout spot on the ridge above.

I waited a couple of days, then about 11 p.m. the guards show up grumbling about not understanding the need for extra men. Several leave, the others set up a watch in a circle in the quarry. The attack never happens. I went up on the ridge and spoke with those idiots in a pleasant way before returning to my spot in the quarry to watch. I wait a week. No attack comes. The guards just stay on duty. I leave. Knowing from a few comments I unintentionally read online about the upcoming incidents and having almost entered a certain fort where I read a warning about going on, I feel pretty sure the whole thing will get swept under the carpet before long. In the end, the workers' pay wasn't stolen, my stupid friends didn't die because I betrayed them, and Andrew, though not entirely innocent, did not suffer at my hands for something he did not do. Rather than stealing the money and putting my own in its place to pay those buttheads off and get them to move to my village where they can continue to cramp my style, I feel they are getting something they deserve--left in limbo in their underwear plotting how to carry out their stupid plan without a pot to piss in.


:steammocking: Sorry for the TLDR.
lilalur Aug 9, 2020 @ 2:26pm 
Yeah, agree. This line of quests really needs more integration to your personal status and wealth. If you have the DLC and rebuilt your tavern they will join you. Not sure if you need to finish this nonsense quest first or not.
The profit is low. IT really designed for an optional playthrough where you roam the world as a low level criminal with your old mates rather than go around...etc. Sadly most of the time you get them you already over that point this amount of coin amaze you even a tiny bit. But there is no option for that.

But consider this:
Matthew is a smart guy but a fcking lazy arshole who wants to get big money. He is not your friend really. He just using you and only happy when you do favours for him along with Fritz. He isn't your friend more like Matthew henchmen who friendly with you as long as you do favours for them. Like a mob.
Since you know him he brought trouble only on your head. He leaves behind anybody he can't use. He left Theresa and his brother in the mine (DLC), he certainly didn't help you a bit but always asked your help. In Sasau they get into trouble you paid them out... he promised you to pay it back but I don't remember it appeared again (not as I really cared, maybe he did?). Then you got a job for them and they were in trouble on the next day. You dealt with Thomas guy, who was really a troublesome bastard and getting rid of him was a really good deed for a mill. So you thought yeah these guys will be good now. Only because Thomas they were trouble but now he is gone... Guess what? You found them in a tavern far away as they got chased out from the town. And now Matthew talking about he didn't like that because its not paid enough. Then talk to Henry to go and steal from the bandits and the Cumans. Well okay... Did anybody get anything from them related to stealing from Bandits or Cumans? No but you can go with them and steal from the men saved your life, put you together, gave you rank and prosperity and helped you a lot. If somehow you can take them Pribyslavitz I bet they would make only trouble and shame on your head... It's my opinion. They really not your friends. They are bad influences and petty criminals. Do you know who is your friend? Hans Capon. As you go in the story you will see.

What I miss is really just an option to tell them that you don't like what they doing and you already alerted the Talmberg guards what they planning so go and think something else as you can't stand what they going to become. So you can close the quest without the actual robbery.
Last edited by lilalur; Aug 9, 2020 @ 2:53pm
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Date Posted: Feb 26, 2019 @ 10:56am
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