its insane they never reversed this update, game is unplayable and basically hasnt recovered since, im not going through hours of torment just to have mods it was bad before the update but it just hammered the last nail in the coffin with this update.... lmao

Office Pleb の投稿を引用：

its insane they never reversed this update, game is unplayable and basically hasnt recovered since, im not going through hours of torment just to have mods it was bad before the update but it just hammered the last nail in the coffin with this update.... lmao

Player numbers beg to differ. Update is great and very much playable.

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Stop Nakba Denial の投稿を引用：

The update is great.

How so? By bricking mods? Does that make it great? Or does the increased instability of the Game make it great?

Increased stability, bug fixes, extra content

Bandit の投稿を引用：

Increased stability, bug fixes, extra content

It never ceases to amaze me how people can to so naive and uncritical of milion $$ companies.
What increase in stability? This game was published in 2015. Did everyone play it for 9 years in unstable state? Vanilla F4 was allright in this regard.
What bugfixes?
"Fixed issue with character name field when in widescreen mode." Again, was this really so important to update this game after 9 years? Issue was propably fixed by Unofficial Patch made by modders years ago. Are they going to make new updates about every bug that they left the game with? It will take them another 10 years!

extra content

WHAT the hell are you talking about?! Update didn't say anything about new things! The patch note is right there. There! Are bethesda fans so delusional these days?
Happy new year then.

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

extra content

WHAT the hell are you talking about?! Update didn't say anything about new things! The patch note is right there. There! Are bethesda fans so delusional these days?
Happy new year then.

The very first thing mentioned in the patch notes:

Enclave Remnants
Some say the past is a scar, cut across the skin of the Commonwealth. Others believe it's a scab clotted over an unhealed wound. Those who fought the Enclave, and those who serve them subscribe to the latter. And when the scab is broken the flag of this old-world cabal will once more stand at full mast. Unless of course, you stop them first. Features the classic Enclave Colonel uniform and over a dozen workshop items! If you have other Enclave creations installed, some of these troops may use this equipment against you!
(Quest "Echoes of the Past" starts on the road north of Saugus Ironworks.)

Armor and Weapon bundle
X-02 Power Armor
Hellfire Power Armor
Heavy Incinerator
Tesla Cannon
Enclave Weapon Skins
Enclave Armor Skins

Makeshift Weapon Pack
Whether it be grenades or piggy banks, there's no shortage of objects you can transform into murderous projectiles with this collection of unique weapons. Included are two grenade launchers, a Nail Gun, Baseball Launcher, Saw Blade launcher, and piggy bank based weaponry. (Quest "When Pigs Fly" starts at a merchant workshop northwest of Greenetech Genetics.)
Halloween Workshop
On the eve of the end, the New England Technocrat Society has thrown a spooky Halloween gala for anyone with the nerve to attend. Drop in on this fa-boo-lous pumpkin-lit soiree replete with witches, cauldrons, and ghouls, and unlock 38 new spine-tingling Halloween props to decorate your settlement! Includes new wearables, such as the iconic De-Capitalist helmet!
(Quest "All Hallow's Eve" starts by tuning into the Mysterious Signal on your Pip-Boy.)

Sounds like "extra content" to me.

A solid amount of bug fixes too:

Resolved issues preventing Japanese and Chinese users from connecting to Bethesda.net (this restores access to Mods).
Resolved issue preventing save data from properly loading during the prologue.
Resolved issue that could prevent the Vault 111 Door from opening on new games.
Resolved issue that could prevent the quest “Go Home” from advancing.
Resolved issue that could result in Codsworth being broken on the ground after fast traveling.
Resolved issue with mipmaps in DLC.
Resolved issue that could result in a softlock when in dialogue with Prestson Garvey.
Resolved issue preventing autosaves while fast traveling in Power Armor.
Fixed issue where text would occasionally disappear in the Creation Club menu.
Resolved issues with text formatting in the credits in Japanese and Chinese.
Resolved issue causing the camera to fail when leaving furniture after an extended time.
Fixed issue that could misplace quest markers while the VR Workshop Creation was installed alongside Automatron.
Resolved issue with player movement in some underwater areas at Thicket Excavations.
Resolved issue that could cause corruption within the Settlement system resulting in wrong resource counts and/or destroyed settlements.
Resolved issue where the “Level Up” notification would display even if there was not a level up available.
Fixed some flickering in Vault 111.
Stability improvements.

Dude, that's Creation Club content, not anything Bethesda did. They just made a decision to make a few of them for free.
If you didn't know, Creation Club is just paid mods. A wondrous invention by Beth Softworks - when before you had mods for free - now you have to pay for them.
Enclave Remnants was made in 2020. Hellfire armor in 2019, Heavy incinerator - same 2019 etc. These were all there before. Only new things are:
*Makeshift weapons - it's got Baseball Launcher and Nailgun- Huzzah! :0
*and Halloween Workshop - there's ton of free mods adding this. Was my broken mod list worth a fraggin' pumpkin?
It's not new content if it has 5 years.

Same goes for those 'bugfixes' They were fixed a long time ago: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

Dude, that's Creation Club content, not anything Bethesda did. They just made a decision to make a few of them for free.
If you didn't know, Creation Club is just paid mods. A wondrous invention by Beth Softworks - when before you had mods for free - now you have to pay for them.
Enclave Remnants was made in 2020. Hellfire armor in 2019, Heavy incinerator - same 2019 etc. These were all there before. Only new things are:
*Makeshift weapons - it's got Baseball Launcher and Nailgun- Huzzah! :0
*and Halloween Workshop - there's ton of free mods adding this. Was my broken mod list worth a fraggin' pumpkin?
It's not new content if it has 5 years.

Same goes for those 'bugfixes' They were fixed a long time ago: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598

is it not extra content though? sure the content is bad but its extra content

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

Dude, that's Creation Club content, not anything Bethesda did. They just made a decision to make a few of them for free.
If you didn't know, Creation Club is just paid mods. A wondrous invention by Beth Softworks - when before you had mods for free - now you have to pay for them.
Enclave Remnants was made in 2020. Hellfire armor in 2019, Heavy incinerator - same 2019 etc. These were all there before. Only new things are:
*Makeshift weapons - it's got Baseball Launcher and Nailgun- Huzzah! :0
*and Halloween Workshop - there's ton of free mods adding this. Was my broken mod list worth a fraggin' pumpkin?
It's not new content if it has 5 years.

Same goes for those 'bugfixes' They were fixed a long time ago: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4598

Extra content = extra content. Pretty hilarious that it only took one comment to slide the goalposts though. "UpDaTe DiDn'T sAy AnYtHiNg AbOuT nEw ThInGs!" to "OnLy NeW tHiNgS aRe..."

Mods are at your own risk so you should have accounted for updates.

It's pretty hilarious that you believe paid mods are extra content that a game company can be praised for. Gamers have fallen to new low.

Why should i be Happy i got content that was previously paid when
1. That content is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
2. I can get better content For free from the modders you Seem so opposed to
3. That paid content comes with the burden of seemingly deliberately damaging the better free content i can get from modders

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

It's pretty hilarious that you believe paid mods are extra content that a game company can be praised for. Gamers have fallen to new low.

your only argument was that it wasnt "new content" it was just "bad content" but it is new?

wez1233 の投稿を引用：

your only argument was that it wasnt "new content" it was just "bad content" but it is new?

If someone takes a dump on your porch at your old house, do you praise it as a new feature of your property?
The buidling crew didn't do it - house is old. The apartment rental agency also didn't had anything to do with it.
But according to you, they can advertise it as a new content for your flat, and raise the rent.

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

It's pretty hilarious that you believe paid mods are extra content that a game company can be praised for. Gamers have fallen to new low.

You already said that the Makeshift Weapons Pack and Halloween Workshop were new. But yes, I typically do praise game companies when they add new content to a game. That's a pretty normal and sane reaction. Do you praise game companies when they remove content?

kontrfilozof の投稿を引用：

If someone takes a dump on your porch at your old house, do you praise it as a new feature of your property?
The buidling crew didn't do it - house is old. The apartment rental agency also didn't had anything to do with it.
But according to you, they can advertise it as a new content for your flat, and raise the rent.

That's not really what happened though, is it? What's much more akin to what occurred is that your rental agency placed a new wicker chair on your porch. It is a new chair. You didn't ask for it, you may never use it, and you don't like it because it's wicker, but it is a new chair. The rental agency also didn't increase your rent or charge you for it. They simply did it for free.

You don't seem to be able to distinguish between a game company and a modder who made a mod.
And we all paid the rent when other, actually interesting mods stopped working for a 9-year old game, because of 'next gen' update (60fps locked). Thanks for discussion.

It sounds like you just think you're entitled to free mods and that modders shouldn't be paid for their work. You also seem to think that because a modder made a mod, that means Bethesda devs have to do nothing to add it to the game to be supported for all players. All in all, at least we dismantled your initial argument that nothing new was added. Thanks. Happy New Year. I'm heading out.