Any Hope for Fallout 5?

[Emerald Mage]

I’ll be honest, with how things are going nowadays with Bethesda game Studios and the general gaming landscape it’s kind of making it hard for me to be optimistic about the future of the fallout series

do any of y’all have hope for it?

or even better have any ideas that could help improve our chances of getting a really good game in fallout five

[Bored Peon]

Postat inițial de Xenon The Noble:

Original Point: DLC won't save starfield

1. This is not the Starfield forums.
2. Starfield does not need saving.

Bethesda has an issue with their fanbase, at least 30% of their fan base sits around the Bethesda forum communities trashing Bethesda at any chance they get. Yet this same 30% are always first in line to get the new Bethesda game when it comes out.
How do I know? I see the same people trashing Skyrim, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, and Starfield and they own all those games.

[DouglasGrave]

I would say it depends on their overall opinion of the game, since criticizing its flaws doesn't mean they dislike it as a whole.

But there certainly are people whose overall conclusion seems to be that something is a bad game, while still playing it, which suggests that they like bad games (possibly for being entertaining), are masochists, are lying to themselves, or are possibly addicted in some way. Or I suppose they could be at the bottom of a well somewhere with an unstable psychopath forcing them to play games "or else they'll get the hose again".

[trey]

At this point the only thing they're going to need to make fallout 5 worth playing is a miracle.

[Xenon The Noble]

Postat inițial de Bored Peon:

Postat inițial de Xenon The Noble:

Original Point: DLC won't save starfield

1. This is not the Starfield forums.
2. Starfield does not need saving.

Bethesda has an issue with their fanbase, at least 30% of their fan base sits around the Bethesda forum communities trashing Bethesda at any chance they get. Yet this same 30% are always first in line to get the new Bethesda game when it comes out.
How do I know? I see the same people trashing Skyrim, Fallout 4, Fallout 76, and Starfield and they own all those games.

We are comparing Starfield to Fallout 4 to see if they will make Fallout 5. The thread went from dispair for the lower quality of recent Bethesda games, to maybe one poorly regarded recent Bethesda game might improve via DLC, and I made the point that 1) DLC for starfield would be out by now and 2) DLC didn't help FO4.
If you weren't so interested in arguing every point and attacking me, this wouldn't need to be explained.

[Bored Peon]

Postat inițial de Xenon The Noble:

If you weren't so interested in arguing every point and attacking me, this wouldn't need to be explained.

Called it.

Postat inițial de Bored Peon:

Oh and before you try and play "making it personal victim" as you usually do.....

Postat inițial de Xenon The Noble:

Oh. We have different opinions about what "Good entertainment" is. Carry on.

[-={LG}=-]

Postat inițial de Xenon The Noble:

Reviews are manufactured to sell games

Exactly. Which explains the often dramatic difference between Metacritic user reviews and the commercial reviewers. The developers are all in bed with the gaming press, and they all work together to push their shared interests which have very little to do with actual product quality.

You can always tell the crappy game du jour because the gaming press will put all these gold stars from 27 game reviewers nobody ever heard of in the advertisement.

They both need there to be mass quantities of games sold, but it's not necessary for them to be anything but the minimum viable product. That maximizes everyone's profits. So they work together to create an environment where consumption can be maintained through manipulation and deception, while quality steadily declines and content is replaced with faddish propaganda, sexualization, or both.

[Wasteland Project]

So 5 years of waiting between one game and another and then also big disappointments?

Someone in Bethesda has convinced themselves that the longevity of a game is guaranteed with radiant quests, according to their theory recovering a miner in a cave and bringing him back to the NPC (all just created by ProcGen) is the solution for longevity.

I am not at all against the creation of worlds with ProcGen but then the developers must guarantee valid content, with missions that are activated via scripts, written by humans, perhaps with puzzles to solve, elaborate paths.

The longevity of Fallout 4 was guaranteed by the building of settlements, in Starfield not even that worked, while they did a great job for spaceships.

[Mowglia]

Postat inițial de theartistnathan:

I’ll be honest, with how things are going nowadays with Bethesda game Studios and the general gaming landscape it’s kind of making it hard for me to be optimistic about the future of the fallout series

do any of y’all have hope for it?

or even better have any ideas that could help improve our chances of getting a really good game in fallout five

I think Fallout 5 and TES 6 will be fine, as Bethesda generally know what they're doing here.

Starfield was an aberration due to the combined issues of proc gen limitations and the Creation Engine not being able to cope with what they were trying to do.

The real question is whether any of us will be alive to play FO5 given Bethesda have three franchises on the go, and considering how long it takes them to produce a game. I expect FO5 might take perhaps 10-15 years to release, so I'm not sure I'd concern myself with this right now :)

[Boink]

It is a wake-up call for Bethesda and even CD Project when they didn't get the prestigious awards like Game Of The Year. At least CD Project got the Best Ongoing Award lol.

I assume we find out if they corrected their mistakes in 2026 Witcher 4 / Elder Scrolls 6. CD Project and Bethesda competing for those game investor's funds. The best games are from a studio that didn't even have stocks. Baldur's Gate 3 was just a well-made game.

But yes Fallout 5 got the funding regardless of what happens with Elder Scrolls 6. Anything after that who knows Bethesda might go broke and Todd Howard steps down.

[hatta]

Postat inițial de -={LG}=-:

So they work together to create an environment where consumption can be maintained through manipulation and deception, while quality steadily declines and content is replaced with faddish propaganda, sexualization, or both

The death traps of the gaming industry if you want to cause a global gaming crash are:
- wiki/Mannerism
- wiki/Toxic_positivity

I am definitely convinced, or it is obvious, that GAMESTAR magazine has completely killed the gaming industry in Germany, with that.

We only found out the truth about Piranha bytes 10 days ago, through a YouTuber:
At Piranha Bytes there was this legendary head developer, which is why we even know Piranha Bytes, and it was only by chance that he didn't kill himself when he wanted to explain manners to the other developers in the studio. If he had taken a metal pen instead of a wooden pencil, he would have been lying there in the studio as a corpse.
Because of this almost suicide he gave up, left the gaming industry, the Mannierists won, and continued with the OLD reputation and did something like Risen3 or Elex2.

While Gamestar always gave us the feeling that Piranha Bytes would do something like "Gothic2 2002" again.

This is how EUROJANK was able to establish itself.
That means:
All talent from Germany emigrated.
And only those who explicitly wanted to do the Eurojank genre applied to studios in Germany.

[hatta]

In the Anglo-American world, only some individuals don't seem to understand it:
wiki/Toxic_positivity

Sample examples are:
- Swatting attack in the live stream Ned Luke
- Laura Bailey The Last of Us Part II
Basically, as an actor you should never talk about the idea that a computer game character you are acting, is a better or more attractive or stronger version of yourself.
Computer games are for actors, obviously exactly the opposite of favorite films (example: queer Ian McKellen, as Gandalf in the films).

But I don't follow the English-language magazines at all, I don't know what influence they personally have on studios...

[Cynwale]

Postat inițial de wtiger27:

Postat inițial de -={LG}=-:

Lol! Awarded by whom, Sweet Baby Inc?

By Stream Voters. Of course you can always make the politician claim it was rigged. Does not mean it was however. After all, some claim to have been abducted by aliens.
And Big Foot.

Starfield is a good game. Just not as good as Fallout 4 is in my opinion. Of course, I think Fallout 4 is much better than 3 is. But I also know that is not a opinion shared by many fallout fans. But I don't care. I don't enjoy a game based on what others think about it, once I find out it is a good game for me.

You know full well it was trolling, you leftie.

[Wasteland Project]

So the "good" ones were gone..
https://www.ign.com/articles/wyrdsong-rpg-bethesda-obsidian-jeff-gardiner-interview
..“Years ago, these independent studios, I worked at one, came out and they had these onerous milestones and very difficult things, and all these sort of ‘gotchas’ in their contracts. ..


This article from Multiplayer.it (they usually copy articles from America but I haven't found other sources in english) says that they are in crisis. I hope they can continue.

https://multiplayer.it/notizie/pesanti-licenziamenti-in-something-wicked-il-team-di-wyrdsong-fondato-da-ex-bethesda-e-obsidian.html

[wtiger27]

Postat inițial de Cynwale:

Postat inițial de wtiger27:

By Stream Voters. Of course you can always make the politician claim it was rigged. Does not mean it was however. After all, some claim to have been abducted by aliens.
And Big Foot.

Starfield is a good game. Just not as good as Fallout 4 is in my opinion. Of course, I think Fallout 4 is much better than 3 is. But I also know that is not a opinion shared by many fallout fans. But I don't care. I don't enjoy a game based on what others think about it, once I find out it is a good game for me.

You know full well it was trolling, you leftie.

Lol. You couldn't be more wrong in calling me a leftie.

Sometimes, people can assume too much based on so little information.

[TSsixtyONE]

Postat inițial de miakisfan:

The biggest mistake I think they made was selling to Microsoft. Look at what has happened to Bioware ever since they joined EA.

I do believe there may eventually be a Fallout 5 and if I were asked for a suggestion it would be to ignore the posters like this one ...

Postat inițial de Astra Militarum:

Wonderful, these fanatical anti-Microsoft characters. Get a life, mate :)


It's important to acknowledge that the Microsoft Xbox division is now led by completely different people than before. It's unfair to continue to blame them for the mistakes of a team from 10 years ago. The fact is that Starfield appeared as clean and bug-free as possible thanks to Microsoft's involvement, which contrasts with the experience of previous Bethesda games. Today, the Microsoft Xbox division has undergone a complete transformation.

I agree that Bethesda is in good hands with Microsoft. Fallout 76 can't solely be blamed on Microsoft. Microsoft continues to develop great games, such as Age Of Empires 4, a love letter to RTS fans, and Microsoft Flight Simulator, a long-awaited dream for flight simulator enthusiasts.

Microsoft continues to demonstrate its capabilities. Looking at Starfield and seeing the amount of content it offers, especially with its space exploration aspect and countless planets, I can imagine the effort that could go into Fallout 5, even though it only has one map.

It's important to look beyond one's biases and acknowledge the positive aspects, rather than spreading hate and criticism.