Your first impressions of Desdemona?

[Zes]

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What were your initial impressions of Desdemona?

If you hadn't decided to locate them prior to meeting the Railroad then you must have meet them after eliminating a Courser, with the possession of an intact Courser chip.. Even that alone would be a significant asset. Yet, Desdemona addresses you as though you were a mere errand boy. Isn't that presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic? It's as if she's the one calling the shots in every aspect. Pushing you around under the guise of an "agreement".

Alright, as part of the deal, I can leave the hardware there. However, what's the deal with the "if you learn anything further, you're going to inform us first" part? What does she bring to that bargain? What will she offer me in return?

Do I owe her anything? I possess the chip afterall, and she's the one who needs it as well. She is not in charge of me in any way. This attitude truly irritated me. It's been quite while since I last played that part. I could barely keep myself from losing control and confronting her (or worse)

I wonder how many of you could tolerate her in your first encounter

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

1)There ought to be more "How 'bout you give my courser chip back or I'll kill every living person in this room?" dialog.
2)Same with Danse. You save the toaster and what's left of his squad that he got killed because he chose Ferralville Police Station as his base. Idiot. Then if you don't tell him what your business is (which is obviously answering yet another BOS distress call that the BOS won't answer) he tells you to get off his lawn.

Totally agree, for
1) who is going to argue with a dude in Power Armor wielding whatever legendary the SS has at that point?
2) Danse has some Balls to tell you to skeddaddle. How about, its not HIS police station but that of the citizens of the Commonwealth, which you are and he is not.
Sure you may argue while he is in PA he can push you around. But when you show up in PA and maybe even with another Minuteman , say Preston in PA, and you are both well armed, he still tries to tell you whats what.
I would have liked to say something like "YOUR compound? Ever since the war the United States has been under martial law and its never been rescinded by competent authority. I am an ACTUAL member of the US military rank X.
And we were all subject to automatic reactivation on open general war on US soil.
And that means i am in charge, not you.
and if you know whats good for you, you will answer my questions, or else.
Of course you are welcome to argue the point right here, right now (spins up electric motor to his upgraded gatling gun)"

I know.
Show up in legendary T-60f power armor wielding Zork, legdary Zetan blaster of death.
All your dialog options are kiss donkey, submit, or obey his commands.
Best you can do is point out that having already lost half his squad following the suggestion of that crazy scribe that he's not going to last two weeks.

[ghostlly]

My first impression was can I romance her and can she be a companion other than that nothing special.

[socialmediaaddress3]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:

Totally agree, for
1) who is going to argue with a dude in Power Armor wielding whatever legendary the SS has at that point?
2) Danse has some Balls to tell you to skeddaddle. How about, its not HIS police station but that of the citizens of the Commonwealth, which you are and he is not.
Sure you may argue while he is in PA he can push you around. But when you show up in PA and maybe even with another Minuteman , say Preston in PA, and you are both well armed, he still tries to tell you whats what.
I would have liked to say something like "YOUR compound? Ever since the war the United States has been under martial law and its never been rescinded by competent authority. I am an ACTUAL member of the US military rank X.
And we were all subject to automatic reactivation on open general war on US soil.
And that means i am in charge, not you.
and if you know whats good for you, you will answer my questions, or else.
Of course you are welcome to argue the point right here, right now (spins up electric motor to his upgraded gatling gun)"

1)Danse likely does outclass you when you meet him, since he's got his full suit of T-60, while you're more likely to have the clunky T-45 recovered from Concord, and he does legitimately have a legendary weapon (since he gives it to you later after you help him at Arcjet).

2)I think the Brotherhood also has a pretty solid history of breaking away from the actual U.S. military, even if the U.S. hadn't been defunct for about 200 years.

1) yes in normal game progression you are 100% correct. but we are mostly seasoned players here and many of us dont follow normal game progression anymore.
When you meet him you are usually somewhere around level 6 to 11 ish.

I would have liked the game to acknowledged with extra dialogue options when you show up in superior PA and with superior weapons and superior skill (after all you cut your teeth fighting a real military whereas Danse mostly fought mutants and beasts, perhaps an enclave remnant on occasion but i doubt it because those are few and far between and I doubt his ragtag group would have survived an encounter with a remnant enclave patrol even at half strenght)

2) Maybe, but in such situations, it does not matter what the institutional historical success rate is, or whether the BoS considers themselves independent ( we all know they do) but who and what is there now.

And if I believe I am in charge and have superior firepower and skill, to back it up my claim, well then I am and I get to tell him to skedaddle not the other way around.

Now if he displayed a good attitude and said stuff like " listen I am a ranking representative of the Brotherhood, we are interested in good relations with all except mutants and mutant lovers, which you as a MInuteman clearly are not. Could you please let us stay here or even lend a hand? We will be grateful and the Brotherhood always pays it's debts."

Now that would have been a different story and attitude on the part of yours truly.

[dodger]

I just finished the Railroad quest line. At the end, i noticed Desdemona had aged, it was evident in her face. Kind of a nice touch that the devs did that.

[Zes]

Originally posted by dodger:

I just finished the Railroad quest line. At the end, i noticed Desdemona had aged, it was evident in her face. Kind of a nice touch that the devs did that.

this must be the second character that aged. other one is jack cabot..

devs made 2 jack cabot in fact, one young and one old, there is no morphing. and that had caused a bug, because any quest tied to young cabot didnt carry over the old one.. if you delayed to drop by and get the modified gamma gun, thats it, quest should be delivered by the young one.. which isnt exist anymore.

I wonder if Des may have the same issue now.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Zes:

Originally posted by dodger:

I just finished the Railroad quest line. At the end, i noticed Desdemona had aged, it was evident in her face. Kind of a nice touch that the devs did that.

this must be the second character that aged. other one is jack cabot..

devs made 2 jack cabot in fact, one young and one old, there is no morphing. and that had caused a bug, because any quest tied to young cabot didnt carry over the old one.. if you delayed to drop by and get the modified gamma gun, thats it, quest should be delivered by the young one.. which isnt exist anymore.

I wonder if Des may have the same issue now.

There is also the much more obvious and deliberate case of Emogene Cabot, whose youthful and aged forms are both used as part of the Cabot House quests.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Zes:

Yet, Desdemona addresses you as though you were a mere errand boy. Isn't that presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic?

You are overly sensitive and judgemental. It is a typical gamer's attitude to walk into a room and to expect to be addressed as a saviour.

Fact is, the moment one walks in there is one a nobody to them, and an intruder into their home. And these are people who are being hunted and have all the reason to distrust outsiders.

Imagine a stranger walks into your house. Someone who you did not invite, but merely walked in because the front door was not locked. Would you stop them or let them further in, maybe let them explore the kitchen or the bedrooms? Would you give them the keys to your car? At what point would you stop them and start asking who they were, what they do in your home, why they came here, and what they want from you?

[Zes]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by Zes:

Yet, Desdemona addresses you as though you were a mere errand boy. Isn't that presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic?

You are overly sensitive and judgemental. It is a typical gamer's attitude to walk into a room and to expect to be addressed as a saviour.

Hmm, I wonder where i expected to be addressed as a saviour.

At the door, I expressed that i came for decoding a chip. And she demanded chip in return for the job.. that was all and we were doing business, deal was agreed by both sides.

But

After decoding the chip she "ordered me to inform them" whenever i get more information about the institute.. was that part of the deal? was that asking for being adressed as a saviour? was it asking for more than the deal?(asking for car keys etc?)

Is this being overly sensitive? Is this typical gamer's attitude?

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by Zes:

Yet, Desdemona addresses you as though you were a mere errand boy. Isn't that presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic?

You are overly sensitive and judgemental. It is a typical gamer's attitude to walk into a room and to expect to be addressed as a saviour.

Fact is, the moment one walks in there is one a nobody to them, and an intruder into their home. And these are people who are being hunted and have all the reason to distrust outsiders.

Imagine a stranger walks into your house. Someone who you did not invite, but merely walked in because the front door was not locked. Would you stop them or let them further in, maybe let them explore the kitchen or the bedrooms? Would you give them the keys to your car? At what point would you stop them and start asking who they were, what they do in your home, why they came here, and what they want from you?

SS comes in because they let SS open the door. Switch right by the door to shut it off.
Answer the door by pointing a minigun at SS and threatening him cuz he knew the secret password (which is all along the freedom trail and is simply "Railroad").
Make the headquarters the secret meeting place. (stupid).
SS may be armed in Power Armor with the Plasma Gun of death or the "Zetan weapon of Gort". Dezi still threatens SS.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Zes:

Originally posted by sdack:

You are overly sensitive and judgemental. It is a typical gamer's attitude to walk into a room and to expect to be addressed as a saviour.

Hmm, I wonder where i expected to be addressed as a saviour.

At the door, I expressed that i came for decoding a chip. And she demanded chip in return for the job.. that was all and we were doing business, deal was agreed by both sides.

But

After decoding the chip she "ordered me to inform them" whenever i get more information about the institute.. was that part of the deal? was that asking for being adressed as a saviour? was it asking for more than the deal?(asking for car keys etc?)

Is this being overly sensitive? Is this typical gamer's attitude?

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[Bigfoot Surfer]

girlboss type
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[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Bigfoot Surfer:

girlboss type
lines wrote by
upset woman

It's not a proper haiku without seventeen syllables and a seasonal reference.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Zes:

Hmm, I wonder where i expected to be addressed as a saviour.

It is in the judgement you made, accusing people who you have met for the first time as presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic. This sure is a strong and hostile response when one does not know someone and it is typical for people who have a lot of expectations in how others should behave towards them.

If you then helped them to get a courser chip, which is not an easy task, then you have done something that sure says you are here to help. She then uses that to ask for more. Remember, you walked into their world. Not the other way around. They did not come to you or any of your settlements and asked you for help but you walked in there and you gave help to them.

I do not remember how deep one has to get into the Railroad storyline to get the mission with the courser chip, but I find it hard to talk about it as "First impressions ..." at that point in the story.

Even if you were a cut-throat merc looking only to take advantage of the Railroad would you not be upset about their behaviour, but you would just keep taking advantage of them. You would not be upset by her asking for more information, but you would see it as an opportunity the next time you walked in there, knowing they want more, to gain more out of them.

[Zes]

Originally posted by sdack:

If you then helped them to get a courser chip, which is not an easy task, then you have done something that sure says you are here to help. She then uses that to ask for more.

I never helped anyone, I said i have courserchip to decode and she accepted to decode it. And wanted the chip in return.

Deal was accepted by both parties. I didnt ask for more and never expected to be asked too.

she talked down to me after. still unlike an 'oversensitive gamer' I just walked away. Didnt kill them all or anything.

sdack: you little surprised me with your message, still seeing you are defending it.. I didnt reply other parts of your message, because I dont see why we are having this conversation, having a bad day buddy? I responded seriously to this point because I respect you in this forums, but that is all from me.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Zes:

having a bad day buddy?

Ask this yourself! You are the one who wants to talk about first impressions and then lashes out with "presumptuous, patronizing, rude, and narcissistic".

It sure comes across as if you walked into a French resistance camp during WWII and are mad, because nobody cared for the feelings of a snowflake. Did you expect a welcome party with cookies and cake? The best one can expect as a stranger who walks into their world is not to be shot on sight. The railroad has to hide underground, because just about everyone is out to kill them. They are in a state of war, and you seem to be mad, because they do not welcome you in with open arms, smiles, and a friendly chit-chat.

How do you feel about Marcy Long by the way? You probably hate her from the bottom of your heart, don't you?