T-51b > T-45d canon, why are Bethesda pushing their crappy armor?

[Spookyman]

It doesn't even look functional as [Powered Armor], it looks like someone took parts from a car and slapped it on some fabric.

We can argue that the BoS is manufacturing new PArmor, but why use inferior parts and designs on a supposed "improved" design?

[Starbug]

huh?

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by Starbug:

huh?

Bethesda's Power Armor design looks like vomit, and is canon that the original power armor is a better design, as it doesn't waste a million small energy cells to power it.

[Sgt. Dornan]

Why do people make so many stupid assumptions out of an artwork piece and 3 minute trailer. Maybe it takes place before the t-51b is created, maybe it's only given out to elite squada, no one knows, and you shouldn't act like you do.

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by The Ξnclave:

Why do people make so many stupid assumptions out of an artwork piece and 3 minute trailer. Maybe it takes place before the t-51b is created, maybe it's only given out to elite squada, no one knows, and you shouldn't act like you do.

We do know that T-51b is standard issue and that T-45d is experimental armor that pre-dates
T-51b. T-51b is an improvement over the T-45d design.

[Vesper]

Almost all T-51b armors were standard issue, and thus went Directly to the Alaska Front, and The Chinese homeland for an assult. Thus why in Operation Ancorage you only see T-51B power armors.

T-45d was the previous design, however it had some problems the newer model didn't. It worked well enough that it was sent to the Front, and Chinese front but was soon replaced. Thus they had mass produced power Armor laying around, so they probably kept it on standby incase any chinese assult forces tried to strike the East Coast.

Thus when the Brotherhood gets to the East Coast they found plenty of left over out of date power armor to use, so why waste it?!

They probably came with 51b troops but those armors will eventually break and wear, especially when you got Giant hulking mutated monsters capturing people and trying to mutate the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.

That armor depicted in the trailer is clearly another model of power armor, possibly somewhere between 45 and 51 models. The reason its taken appart is probably because its being cleaned or repaired.

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by Basilius:

Almost all T-51b armors were standard issue, and thus went Directly to the Alaska Front, and The Chinese homeland for an assult. Thus why in Operation Ancorage you only see T-51B power armors.

T-45d was the previous design, however it had some problems the newer model didn't. It worked well enough that it was sent to the Front, and Chinese front but was soon replaced. Thus they had mass produced power Armor laying around, so they probably kept it on standby incase any chinese assult forces tried to strike the East Coast.

Thus when the Brotherhood gets to the East Coast they found plenty of left over out of date power armor to use, so why waste it?!

They probably came with 51b troops but those armors will eventually break and wear, especially when you got Giant hulking mutated monsters capturing people and trying to mutate the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.

That armor depicted in the trailer is clearly another model of power armor, possibly somewhere between 45 and 51 models. The reason its taken appart is probably because its being cleaned or repaired.

Except that T-51b can literally last more than 200 years with barely any battery usage and still be able to function, while the T-45d lasts like an hour before needing to resupply. It's also noted that the T-51b functions better and deflects even Tank Main Cannon shells without putting a scratch on it. T-45d just blows up after the fact. In the wasteland, if given the option to make an improved version of Power Armor, I'd go for the T-51b, mainly because they're not retarded, and that there's far more of them than the abortion that T-45d is.

[Vesper]

Originally posted by Filthiest Skrub:

Originally posted by Basilius:

Almost all T-51b armors were standard issue, and thus went Directly to the Alaska Front, and The Chinese homeland for an assult. Thus why in Operation Ancorage you only see T-51B power armors.

T-45d was the previous design, however it had some problems the newer model didn't. It worked well enough that it was sent to the Front, and Chinese front but was soon replaced. Thus they had mass produced power Armor laying around, so they probably kept it on standby incase any chinese assult forces tried to strike the East Coast.

Thus when the Brotherhood gets to the East Coast they found plenty of left over out of date power armor to use, so why waste it?!

They probably came with 51b troops but those armors will eventually break and wear, especially when you got Giant hulking mutated monsters capturing people and trying to mutate the ♥♥♥♥ out of them.

That armor depicted in the trailer is clearly another model of power armor, possibly somewhere between 45 and 51 models. The reason its taken appart is probably because its being cleaned or repaired.

Except that T-51b can literally last more than 200 years with barely any battery usage and still be able to function, while the T-45d lasts like an hour before needing to resupply. It's also noted that the T-51b functions better and deflects even Tank Main Cannon shells without putting a scratch on it. T-45d just blows up after the fact. In the wasteland, if given the option to make an improved version of Power Armor, I'd go for the T-51b, mainly because they're not retarded, and that there's far more of them than the abortion that T-45d is.

Yes and in New Vegas the Brotherhood that has plenty of access to the 51s does use them.
However MOST of those armors were in Alaska and China Fighting when the War started. There aren't that many around, the 45 however is plentiful. And I'd rather wear 45 than leather armor anyday.

You simply have to take 45 as 51 were becoming very rare.
Even in Fallout 1 they only had a few suits of 51b left. If you take a Mininuke to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ face and half your armor gets ashed, the only way to repair it, would be to use parts from another suit, so chances are you just scrap the peice of ♥♥♥♥, and salvage what you can from whats left to use for repairs later.

Ancorage shows you what the Chinese had, they had regular ballistics and simple lasers, but the wasteland is full of gatling lasers, mininukes, granades, plasma weapons, laser weapons, blood hungry giant mutants, Scorpions the size of buses. I'm sorry but the 51 was rated to fight chinese soldiers, not survive the wasteland.

Plus if you were china, and you launched nukes, where would you aim first. The place producing unstoppable power suits that have been cutting into your country like butter, or that garage 10 miles out of town?

[Fried Noodles]

I can still be killed by a small group of radroaches or bloatflies while wearing T-51b Power Armor.

It's not that great.

[Spookyman]

Now that's wrong in regards to rarity, because even the T-51b was used back on the homefront for even domestic households. Plus, a lot of time has passed since Navarro and MAYBE if Bethesda's not incompetent they can write that the BoS has access to technology to replicate new suits of T-51b Power Armor and can improve upon it.

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by Harmonica Treks:

I can still be killed by a small group of radroaches or bloatflies while wearing T-51b Power Armor.

It's not that great.

it would take a very long time since they'd do only 1 unit of damage, because Bethesda can't into Armor Class or Damage Threshold.

Black Isle was smart about it, having an armor with higher Damage Threshold than incoming damage would completely render the attack useless and deal no damage, and have a chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the attacker's future actions.

[Vesper]

Originally posted by Filthiest Skrub:

Now that's wrong in regards to rarity, because even the T-51b was used back on the homefront for even domestic households. Plus, a lot of time has passed since Navarro and MAYBE if Bethesda's not incompetent they can write that the BoS has access to technology to replicate new suits of T-51b Power Armor and can improve upon it.

Those suits left around in heavily populated areas (the only place they would be useful as crowd control) would have likely been vaporized by the nuclear strike.
Even if the Brotherhood could replicate power armor, that would only be the west coast branch.
I'm afraid its a little difficult to move a power armor production facility across the country.

Also you are walking on foot across the country, are you going to bring lots of back-up power armor, or food and water?

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by Basilius:

Originally posted by Filthiest Skrub:

Now that's wrong in regards to rarity, because even the T-51b was used back on the homefront for even domestic households. Plus, a lot of time has passed since Navarro and MAYBE if Bethesda's not incompetent they can write that the BoS has access to technology to replicate new suits of T-51b Power Armor and can improve upon it.

Those suits left around in heavily populated areas (the only place they would be useful as crowd control) would have likely been vaporized by the nuclear strike.
Even if the Brotherhood could replicate power armor, that would only be the west coast branch.
I'm afraid its a little difficult to move a power armor production facility across the country.

Also you are walking on foot across the country, are you going to bring lots of back-up power armor, or food and water?

You don't need water in Power Armor, it recycles bodily waste into drinkable water. Also, you misunderstand how powerful Power Armor is, it is designed to take all kinds of damage and still be able to function haphazzardly even if a Nuke detonated on it directly, and is supremely resistant to radioactivity and other dangerous matter, like chemicals and energy and such.
(Can't say much about the the body in the suit though, might die from physical trauma and leaking radiation, cuz nothing's perfect)

Regarding the production facility though, I haven't thought about it, but from what I know, the Enclave have been making their own Power Armor for years. They have made 2 major bases off the coast on an oil rig and at Navarro, with smaller bunkers here and there for resupply and maintenance. BoS can look up old warehouses or terminals to find the technology, even without Enclave secrets. If the Enclave can do it, so can BoS.

[Vesper]

Originally posted by Filthiest Skrub:

Originally posted by Basilius:

Those suits left around in heavily populated areas (the only place they would be useful as crowd control) would have likely been vaporized by the nuclear strike.
Even if the Brotherhood could replicate power armor, that would only be the west coast branch.
I'm afraid its a little difficult to move a power armor production facility across the country.

Also you are walking on foot across the country, are you going to bring lots of back-up power armor, or food and water?

You don't need water in Power Armor, it recycles bodily waste into drinkable water. Also, you misunderstand how powerful Power Armor is, it is designed to take all kinds of damage and still be able to function haphazzardly even if a Nuke detonated on it directly, and is supremely resistant to radioactivity and other dangerous matter, like chemicals and energy and such.

Yes but you also lose water through other means. Your body would use it up, requiring you to take in some other ways.

The threat from a nuke isn't from radiation (though that isn't very fun) its the heat, energy, and shock wave. I don't care how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong that armor was made, it would have been destroyed if it got hit with a nuke.

51b armor isn't this unstoppable killing machine.
You can be killed by super mutants, and raiders in every game, even when you take that 51 armor and improve it by hardening it. You can die in 51 armor easy, and if they weren't destroyed by the heat and blast wave, then the EMP blast would have destroyed the electronics inside.



As for the second part of what you mentioned, So what? even if they could produce power armor easily enough, you still aren't going to bring a ton of backups incase ♥♥♥♥ goes down and some break. You are going to bring spare parts (lighter) and other supplies.
How would they know if the East coast was even still habited by humans? What if it was just a sea of radiactive monsters that could bite through power armor like it was tin foil.

[Spookyman]

Originally posted by Basilius:

Originally posted by Filthiest Skrub:

You don't need water in Power Armor, it recycles bodily waste into drinkable water. Also, you misunderstand how powerful Power Armor is, it is designed to take all kinds of damage and still be able to function haphazzardly even if a Nuke detonated on it directly, and is supremely resistant to radioactivity and other dangerous matter, like chemicals and energy and such.

Yes but you also lose water through other means. Your body would use it up, requiring you to take in some other ways.

The threat from a nuke isn't from radiation (though that isn't very fun) its the heat, energy, and shock wave. I don't care how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong that armor was made, it would have been destroyed if it got hit with a nuke.

51b armor isn't this unstoppable killing machine.
You can be killed by super mutants, and raiders in every game, even when you take that 51 armor and improve it by hardening it. You can die in 51 armor easy, and if they weren't destroyed by the heat and blast wave, then the EMP blast would have destroyed the electronics inside.

T-51b obviously had weaknesses but it is still a sturdy piece of armor. Like I said, it's tough to say about the body in the suit, because human bodies aren't as strong as the armor. The Power Armor is a solid hunk of polymers and metal tougher than the strongest tank in the world. Sunbeam Gatling Lasers just shine off the blighters and Avenger Miniguns are next to useless against them. Explosives would simply knock 'em off their feet and Mini-Nukes won't even cause structural damage at all. The only weakness on the suit I know of is the visor, because you honestly can't make glass that is as tough as the suit.

Regarding Fallout 1 and 2, Raiders and Muties are like swiss cheese in front of the indomitable Power Armor. The only real problem that arose even if you had Power Armor was the Enclave because they had better technology and strategy. They could ♥♥♥♥ you up to hell and back because you wore something not up to snuff. Imagine if you worn T-45d in a situation where Enclave soldiers were knocking down the door and going guns-a-blazing with Pulse Rifles and Grenades? You'd be pissing your pants and then promptly turning to dust because they vaporized you.

Also yes all Power Armor has a weakness to Pulse weapons, it is unavoidable.

[Joe]

no matter what i hope they can make all armor and helmuts as (hopefully MORE!!) immersive as they were in project neveda