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Cronotekk 2015 年 6 月 3 日 下午 6:49
It's Co-Op, right?
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EDIT; I found it extremely common for people to think that Co-op would detract from the single player experience. My question is, why? Why do you think adding this feature, that modders did with skyrim no less, would completely destroy the game? Why are you so afraid of innovation in more ways than gameplay? Why build a settlement when only you and mindless AI can populate it?
最后由 Cronotekk 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 10:33
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Micket 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:19 
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur
引用自 Micket
There are plenty of games specifically made for the co-op experience, so why water down every popular single player game with secondary co-op?

To make it enjoyable for people that don't give a crap about singleplayer?

Imagine if they they added co-op to Fallout 3 today, would that change anything in your precious Singleplayer experience?
No.

Would that mean I'd buy a 4-pack for me and my friends?
Instantly!
Totally. After that, maybe slap some co-op into The Witcher 3, because why not, it would make it a better game, right?
TVMAN 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:21 
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur

To make it enjoyable for people that don't give a crap about singleplayer?

Why would you buy a singleplayer game, then? Judging by your posts it already sounds like you're not going to buy the game at release, and that you're not the target audience for Bethesda. Why should they cater to you if you're not interested in the game?
Mertaan Dinosaur 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:23 
引用自 Micket
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur

To make it enjoyable for people that don't give a crap about singleplayer?

Imagine if they they added co-op to Fallout 3 today, would that change anything in your precious Singleplayer experience?
No.

Would that mean I'd buy a 4-pack for me and my friends?
Instantly!
Totally. After that, maybe slap some co-op into The Witcher 3, because why not, it would make it a better game, right?

For me personally: absolutely, i'd love that.

You may not believe it, but for me and many others, co-op is a major defining factor in buying a game or not.
Just like you possibly don't care for point-and-click puzzle games, some people don't care for gaming alone.


引用自 TVMAN
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur

To make it enjoyable for people that don't give a crap about singleplayer?

Why would you buy a singleplayer game, then? Judging by your posts it already sounds like you're not going to buy the game at release, and that you're not the target audience for Bethesda. Why should they cater to you if you're not interested in the game?

If it doesn't have co-op, then no, it would be extremely unlikely that i'd spend more than 10,- on it.
If it's confirmed to have co-op, then i'd be first in line to grab a pre-order.

That's why this thread is about asking if it has Co-op, because it seems this will be the greatest game ever if it does.
最后由 Mertaan Dinosaur 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:27
Chip 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:31 
引用自 DPCronotekk
引用自 Dragonb0rn
Nope, this games is SP, not a coop shooter, deal with it.
Just asking dude, sorry for wanting to have a fun experience for a friend. Crazy right?
I'm against it purely for the chance of it detracting away from the singleplayer experience. Would you rather have an amazing GOTY Singleplayer game, or a Pretty good but nothing special singleplayer/co-op game?
Also, balancing issues.
I would be perfectly fine with a co-op addition, only if it will not take away from the singleplayer development in any way.
Mertaan Dinosaur 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:33 
引用自 Lil Ginger Roe
I would be perfectly fine with a co-op addition, only if it will not take away from the singleplayer development in any way.

And that's all we're hoping for. I don't understand why some people get so butthurt about it.
最后由 Mertaan Dinosaur 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:33
TVMAN 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:50 
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur
And that's all we're hoping for. I don't understand why some people get so butthurt about it.

I think it's because I can count the number of games that have included co-op mode without damaging the single player experience on one hand. For example: Borderlands is fun, but you can tell it was made with co-op in mind, and parts of the game can be downright painful if you're playing single player.

Bethesda has absolutely no experience with multiplayer or co-op gameplay, and as such I wouldn't trust them to do it properly the first time around since it's not their focus. No offense, but I think you're vastly underestimating how difficult it'd be to add a proper, fun co-op mode to a single player game, and you don't seem to understand how many aspects of the game it'd impact.

引用自 Lil Ginger Roe
+1, Co-op heavy games ruin singleplayer. Edit= Try playing Payday 2 singleplayer lol.

To be fair, Payday 2 was never advertised as a single player game. It's always been a co-op game, and that's what the developers are focusing on. This thread is akin to asking Overkill to make a single player campaign for Payday 2.
最后由 TVMAN 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:01
Chip 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:52 
引用自 TVMAN
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur
And that's all we're hoping for. I don't understand why some people get so butthurt about it.

I think it's because I can count the number of games that have included co-op mode without damaging the single player experience on one hand. For example: Borderlands is fun, but you can tell it was made with co-op in mind, and parts of the game can be downright painful if you're playing single player.

Bethesda has absolutely no experience with multiplayer or co-op gameplay, and as such I wouldn't trust them to do it properly the first time around since it's not their focus. No offense, but I think you're vastly underestimating how difficult it'd be to add a proper, fun co-op mode to a single player game, and you don't seem to understand how many aspects of the game it'd impact.
+1, Co-op heavy games ruin singleplayer. Edit= Try playing Payday 2 singleplayer lol.
最后由 Chip 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 8:53
MrBloodworth 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:00 
It would be amazing if it had co-op. ( Co-op does not mean MMO by the way )
MrBloodworth 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:01 
引用自 Micket
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur

To make it enjoyable for people that don't give a crap about singleplayer?

Imagine if they they added co-op to Fallout 3 today, would that change anything in your precious Singleplayer experience?
No.

Would that mean I'd buy a 4-pack for me and my friends?
Instantly!
Totally. After that, maybe slap some co-op into The Witcher 3, because why not, it would make it a better game, right?

It would.
Mertaan Dinosaur 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:07 
Bethesda is an innovative company in terms of gameplay.

If they never took risks, Fallout would still be a top-down strategy game like it was before. (Fallout 2 has multiplayer btw)

The Old Republic was a first (not perfect) step to a new type of co-op RPG with the dialogue choices. Unfortunately the MMO-aspect stopped it from becoming as good as it could have, but it was a step in the right direction to a complete new type of co-op gameplay.

I think Bethesda could do it, if they tried.
But perhaps they're wise enough to attempt it in a less-hyped series just to prevent the 'fans' from mental meltdowns.. ;)
最后由 Mertaan Dinosaur 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:08
TVMAN 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:27 
引用自 Mertaan Dinosaur
Bethesda is an innovative company in terms of gameplay.

If they never took risks, Fallout would still be a top-down strategy game like it was before.

They didn't take a risk by moving Fallout to the Gamebryo engine. They stayed within their comfort zone with that move, since 3D single player RPGs are their focus and they are intimately familiar with that game engine.

(Fallout 2 has multiplayer btw)

That's was a third party mod. Fallout 2 did not ship with multiplayer, and Black Isle never included it as an official feature.

The Old Republic was a first (not perfect) step to a new type of co-op RPG with the dialogue choices. Unfortunately the MMO-aspect stopped it from becoming as good as it could have, but it was a step in the right direction to a complete new type of co-op gameplay.

TOR was a straight up MMORPG, and you even admit that the multiplayer aspect was the weak spot of the game. That's not a very convincing argument, you know.

World of Warcraft was made as the direct sequel to Warcraft 3, and Blizzard has stated that a new Warcraft RTS game is incredibly unlikely. I'd prefer it if Bethesda didn't give Fallout the same treatment.

I think Bethesda could do it, if they tried.
But perhaps they're wise enough to attempt it in a less-hyped series just to prevent the 'fans' from mental meltdowns.. ;)

I have no doubt that they could do anything if they tried, but they should experimented with multiplayer in a spin-off first.
最后由 TVMAN 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:32
Brandybuck 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 9:30 
You can't have a good co-op play in an open world, but you could have a mini-MMO experience. I mean, you're supposed to be there with your buddy doing co-op, but he's over in Paradise Falls stealing your quests and XP! Co-op works when you have areas and levels, but now in a wide open world where your buddies just go wander off into the distance.
Schwengelbengel 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 10:14 
thank god, no
Cronotekk 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 10:31 
Can somebody explain to me why people think adding coop would detract all the resources and cause the game to be crap?
Cronotekk 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 Brandybuck
You can't have a good co-op play in an open world, but you could have a mini-MMO experience. I mean, you're supposed to be there with your buddy doing co-op, but he's over in Paradise Falls stealing your quests and XP! Co-op works when you have areas and levels, but now in a wide open world where your buddies just go wander off into the distance.
Yeah, it's not like every survival game ever made has a coop open world.
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