"Brotherhood of Steel thinks ghouls are all monsters."

[Xenon The Noble]

Was Hancock right when he said the BOS thinks all ghouls are monsters?
https://youtu.be/iIkzFmtFVjs
Someone told me that the BOS was good with no feral ghouls.
This seems to show otherwise. Are there any examples of higher rank BOS correcting bad attitudes towards ghouls? Or BOS being nice to ghouls?

[Bored Peon]

Originalmente postado por Von Faustien:

Imagine being this invested in defending the honor of the fallout palet swap of wastland 1 and 2s main villians.

The OP asked opinion from people on both sides of the issue. Instead the topic turned into an echo chamber of hate and prejudice against the BoS.

[Warlock]

Yeah, and what's with the anger over someone pointing out BOS' flaws? Like, I am sure more than one Ghoul NPC would mention that BOS hunts them down feral or not nor would Bethesda just have one NPC state this out of random.

It's also important to know that every main protagonist was a human, so every MC had some sort of chance to join BOS or be on good terms with them. There is definitely a way to be concerned of what if a choice to be a ghoul was available or even Super Mutant. They are rarely seen in NCR with few exceptions, so on BOS turf they would definitely not be welcomed nor given a choice to join. Literally the video Xenon provided shows that Hancock is treated with disdain and even further a dialogue between Hancock and Danse is rather passive aggressive. There ain't no hate involved when admitting BOS is biased like any group in the wasteland.

For instance, Institute probably has disdain for ghouls and though there ain't major mention of them there, the personnel is prejudiced towards wastelanders so their view of ghouls might be same. Vault 81 residents don't like both synths and ghouls, even in the NCR was a prejudice towards or even the Master laughed at idea of Ghouls being future of post-apocalyptic world. So, pointing out all of this isn't bashing BOS but just stating a fact.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por Bored Peon:

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Just like I have a right to defend myself against the false accusations that I hate the BoS and think they're evil. You're becoming boring.

You really do not read my posts at all. You just slap on some made up translation that fits your narrative.

Originalmente postado por Bored Peon:

You argued for two days with Courfa because he kept saying you were implying the BoS was evil with your constant accusations and constantly putting them down. Once again I point WHY you are giving that impression and you just argue about it.

Originalmente postado por Bored Peon:

Show me where I accused you of having that opinion? I simply pointed out WHY people are getting that impression. Keeping in mind YOU were the one to bring this up, not me.

Neither one of those posts accused you of anything. They pointed out WHY people are getting that impression.

Oh wait let me guess, argument is too personal after YOU were the one to bring up the accusations made by SOMEONE ELSE.

You chose to respond to my post about the "hate" and "evil" BoS stuff, in which I didn't name anyone and was replying to Knight of Revan. You chose to involve yourself.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

So, pointing out all of this isn't bashing BOS but just stating a fact.

Correct.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por Courva:

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Just like I have a right to defend myself against the false accusations that I hate the BoS and think they're evil. You're becoming boring.

you should just admit it, claiming to be "neutral" and just here for discussion and information while always trying to point out their "flaws" and never saying anything in their favor,
always trying to counter people defending them while always acknowledging to whatever douglasgrave says, like he is the one who show you the way.
not only concerning the bos but also the synths.

who do you think you're fooling ? And beside you have the right to be an anti-bos and a pro-synth. just say it clearly instead of trying to lure people saying you're neutral.
Someone neutral doesn't get involved in every posts which are anti-bos and pro-synth and defending them. you're unmasked.

let's just be honest and not hypocrite.

Here we go again. You're proving my point as well, congratulations.

Honestly, it's not hard to understand that a person can be critical of a thing without hating it.

For example, I love Star Wars, but I can acknowledge the flaws with any of the movies, books, shows. Doing so doesn't mean I hate it. This is no different. I'm not required to bring up a good point for every bad thing I mention when I want to discuss the flaws. You also don't get to dictate what conversations I involve myself in. Flaws are far more interesting to dive into, so those are what I like to discuss.

If you only want to talk the good things the BoS does, feel free to make a topic about it. This topic, however, is about the BoS's apparent (mis)treatment of ghouls.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

It's also important to know that every main protagonist was a human, so every MC had some sort of chance to join BOS or be on good terms with them. There is definitely a way to be concerned of what if a choice to be a ghoul was available or even Super Mutant. They are rarely seen in NCR with few exceptions, so on BOS turf they would definitely not be welcomed nor given a choice to join. Literally the video Xenon provided shows that Hancock is treated with disdain and even further a dialogue between Hancock and Danse is rather passive aggressive. There ain't no hate involved when admitting BOS is biased like any group in the wasteland.

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

[Сааребас]

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

It's also important to know that every main protagonist was a human, so every MC had some sort of chance to join BOS or be on good terms with them. There is definitely a way to be concerned of what if a choice to be a ghoul was available or even Super Mutant. They are rarely seen in NCR with few exceptions, so on BOS turf they would definitely not be welcomed nor given a choice to join. Literally the video Xenon provided shows that Hancock is treated with disdain and even further a dialogue between Hancock and Danse is rather passive aggressive. There ain't no hate involved when admitting BOS is biased like any group in the wasteland.

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

I believe someone already mentioned it before but there is a Beotherhood of Steel game with the choice of starting as an initiatie of BoS which is a ghoul.

[Von Faustien]

Originalmente postado por пьяница (Сеси):

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

I believe someone already mentioned it before but there is a Beotherhood of Steel game with the choice of starting as an initiatie of BoS which is a ghoul.

The only time the forbidden game may be invoked is when the foul denizens of NMA have breached all defenses and only the greatest of interplays sins holds the power to repel there onslaught.

No but seriously BOS is completely none canon.

[Bored Peon]

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

Yeah, and what's with the anger over someone pointing out BOS' flaws?

There is no anger at pointing out the flaws.
It gets projected into being anger just because someone wants actual proof rather than some brahminshit theory they made up simply because there is no evidence to support it or deny it.

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

They are rarely seen in NCR with few exceptions, so on BOS turf they would definitely not be welcomed nor given a choice to join..

Non-feral ghouls are an exception in every game. They are not well received by most civilized populations. In Fallout 76 the first feral ghouls were hunted down by their own fellow settlers.

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

There ain't no hate involved when admitting BOS is biased like any group in the wasteland.

Yes there is. You are projecting that prejudice of a few to hold an entire faction responsible. Then people were claiming the leadership allowed such behavior simply because there is no dialogue to condone the behavior. In other words people are being too woke.

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

For instance, Institute probably has disdain for ghouls and though there ain't major mention of them there, the personnel is prejudiced towards wastelanders so their view of ghouls might be same.

Anything about the Institute's attitude towards ghouls is complete speculation. There is nothing to support or deny prejudice by the Institute towards ghouls. The only thing we do know is the Institute does not have ghoul synths wandering around inside the Institute. I think the components do show up on the loot table for ghoul settlers though, not sure if the is programming oversight or not.

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

You chose to respond to my post about the "hate" and "evil" BoS stuff, in which I didn't name anyone and was replying to Knight of Revan. You chose to involve yourself.

What does involving myself have to do with the fact YOU brought it up and YOU are the one making false accusations? Oh right, deflecting argument from having to admit YOU made a mistake and YOU made the topic personal.

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Originalmente postado por Knight of Revan:

So, pointing out all of this isn't bashing BOS but just stating a fact.

Correct.

Wrong, because you are taking a fact then projecting it into theories that have no proof.

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

Walter Groggins characters are almost always hated by a majority other characters in the roles he plays. ANyone else find the irony in the fact that the guy who played Boyd Crowder was a white supremacist is now playing a ghoul?

[DouglasGrave]

Originalmente postado por Bored Peon:

Yes there is. You are projecting that prejudice of a few to hold an entire faction responsible. Then people were claiming the leadership allowed such behavior simply because there is no dialogue to condone the behavior. In other words people are being too woke.

At least in regard to ghouls, there is widespread Brotherhood negativity towards ghouls of the type shown in the OP's linked video.

I don't know why you'd thinkk the lack of dialogue condoning the behaviour would mean they allowed it. If they were condoning it, they'd be showing support which would just add to the fact of Brotherhood troops routinely displaying anti-ghoul behaviour.

No-one has yet being able to show even any pro-ghoul behaviour from the Brotherhood, have they? It's pretty much universally negative whenever they comment on ghouls.

[Neo]

Since the brotherhood of steel is not one single person but a large organisation, I don't think you can say BoS hate all ghouls or don't hate all ghouls. Some members are perhaps more fanatical than others and might include normal ghouls in the kill on sight policy they seem to have for feral ghouls.

They certainly only seem to think of feral ghouls as a pest to wiped out, which I can't really blame them, feral ghouls are aggressive to humans and can't seem to be reasoned with.

They seem to view feral ghouls in the same light as super mutants, just a dangerous pest that is a danger to humanity. Can't say for sure about regular ghouls though, but the game certainly gave me the vibe that they are not really seen in a good light, probably some bigoted views towards them, but in fallout 4 I don't recall the BoS actively trying to kill normal speaking ghouls.

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por пьяница (Сеси):

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

I believe someone already mentioned it before but there is a Beotherhood of Steel game with the choice of starting as an initiatie of BoS which is a ghoul.

Yep. I just want them to delve into it a bit more. I think it'd be interesting/fun

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por Bored Peon:

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

I'm really interested to see if the upcoming show touches on anything in regard to the BoS with one of the main characters apparently being a ghoul. I'm curious how they'll portray that relationship if the group is featured since I imagine the animosity of the general populace toward ghouls will be a thing at the very least.

Walter Groggins characters are almost always hated by a majority other characters in the roles he plays. ANyone else find the irony in the fact that the guy who played Boyd Crowder was a white supremacist is now playing a ghoul?

I'm just gonna cut out the rest of it in an attempt to keep this civil.

Boyd Crowder began as a white supremacist, yes, but later reformed, even though he remained a criminal. That said, that's not Walton Goggins' only role. He didn't play a hated character in either Sons of Anarchy (a minor role) or, more recently, in The Unicorn (a romantic comedy sitcom in which he played the lead, and was quite charming). Goggins has proven he can play a variety of roles, and is rumored to be one of the leads in the Fallout series, which means we're likely to get a lot of screen time with him, and could potentially delve into people's opinions on ghouls, good or bad.

[Сааребас]

Originalmente postado por Von Faustien:

Originalmente postado por пьяница (Сеси):

I believe someone already mentioned it before but there is a Beotherhood of Steel game with the choice of starting as an initiatie of BoS which is a ghoul.

The only time the forbidden game may be invoked is when the foul denizens of NMA have breached all defenses and only the greatest of interplays sins holds the power to repel there onslaught.

No but seriously BOS is completely none canon.

I believe Many a true Nerd does a playthrough I watched briefly and I think he stated that some parts were considered canon.
What parts and the game itself doesn't really interest me much.

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Originalmente postado por пьяница (Сеси):

I believe someone already mentioned it before but there is a Beotherhood of Steel game with the choice of starting as an initiatie of BoS which is a ghoul.

Yep. I just want them to delve into it a bit more. I think it'd be interesting/fun

I agree, but I would love more dept of any faction of the Fallout universe.
Even the railroad, a faction I dislike most of all.
But I love the Fallout universe, I think it has so much potential aside from the initial impression we get from the games.
Tbh it is kind of like the ST and SW universes (which they butchered lately ).

(edit: spelling)

[jerrypocalypse]

Originalmente postado por пьяница (Сеси):

Originalmente postado por jerrypocalypse:

Yep. I just want them to delve into it a bit more. I think it'd be interesting/fun

I agree, but I would love more dept of any faction of the Fallout universe.
Even the railroad, a faction I dislike most of all.
But I love the Fallout universe, I think it has so much potential aside from the initial impression we get from the games.
Tbh it is kind of like the ST and SW universes (which they butchered lately ).

(edit: spelling)

I will never say no to more depth. The more corners of the Fallout world they explore, the better.