No Console, No Fixing this Bug I Guess?

[OldFatGuy]

So I've got like, I dunno, probably over 7,000 hours into this game (I think my profile may just show about 3000 because I have played more offline than on, as I noticed really bad frame rate drops when playing online for some reason... and I'm playing perma-death on survival. So I've literally played hundreds... yes hundreds of games. I've died and had to start over so many times hundreds may not even be right lol.

I play 100% vanilla. No mods. No mods. No mods. Not even the one that allows use of the console... so I guess if this is finally the game that I might win it will be a limited game since I guess I can't finish the Robot DLC. My goal was to see if I could beat the game, with all DLC's completed as well, on survival, playing perma-death. I've literally been playing this game since it came out with very few breaks.

But in all those games I've never seen this. I put off the Mechanical Menace quest until very late (I'm level 55 right now) and when I got there Ada had finished off most of the robots, she killed the last one just as I arrived. However, she must think there are still others because the quest won't advance and she keeps saying "searching for target." I even reloaded from the wake up that morning and started over, this time highlighting the quest in my pip boy. Same thing happened, with the direction flag disappearing once I arrive and the next quest objective of "Kill all Hostile Robots" (or something like that) but there are none left and trying to talk to Ada just results in her continuously saying "searching for target" even several in game days later. I leave, come back... and nothing changes.

So I'm guessing since I'm not willing to use any mods, and since the console is unavailable in survival mode (without a mod) then there's no way to advance this quest and if this really is finally the game I finish without dying even once then it will be without that DLC?

Just wanted to post here to see if anyone could confirm that. Can anyone confirm that if I'm not willing to mod my game and use the console that there is in fact no way to finish this quest?

[Angry Pillow]

Just use a mod dude no one cares if you do.

[peppermint hollows]

If you're willing to do this...just change the difficulty off of survival, open the console, and try to fix it. There's also a command that allows you to re-enable survival after turning it off since the game doesn't normally allow you to do that. No mods needed.

Otherwise no, guess you are SOL.

[OldFatGuy]

Not going to use a mod, and yes I realize no one cares... but I care. I'm sure no one cares how anyone plays their own personal game, at least I can't imagine why anyone would care.

Yeah, I'm SOL on this game anyway as I didn't even mention the other weird thing that is happening in this game. Preston Garvey is no longer giving me any settlement quests. Don't know why that happened either. As I stated, I have literally played hundreds of games and this hasn't before either. Did Bethesda patch the game recently and it changed something?

I cleared the first few settlement quests, then liberated The Castle, but now no matter how many times I try walking by or even speaking to Preston Garvey, he gives no more settlement quests.... despite not having any open settlement quests. In fact, the only settlement quest I've gotten since liberating The Castle was from Radio Freedom... not Preston Garvey. And that was only one (The Slog).

Again, I've played hundreds of games. Always, ALWAYS, after liberating The Castle and Preston Garvey returning to Sanctuary Hills, he would give me new settlement quests (once I've finished any previous ones) normally after returning. But not this game. It has now been.... jeez I guess I liberated The Castle around level 30 or so, it's been that long since getting anymore settlement quests from Garvey. I have literally walked up to him probably a thousand times now... nothing. I made him my follower and then released him several times to try that... nothing. I have only finished maybe 8 or 10 settlement quests... I'm sure not even half. I realize I could just go to them and do whatever... but I keep waiting and hoping he will start giving the quests again so I can rake up those experience points too.

Weird. Having played all these games, on this same computer, and these two things happen in the same game that I've never seen before. Makes me wonder if Bethesda patched it and something broke. I do go online with Steam often enough to get patches and do stuff, I just play Fallout 4 offline exclusively now due to the framerate drops I kept seeing when online that went completely away once I switched to offline.

LOL, discovered that by accident too. I always noticed for those first 3000 hours that I would see frame rate drops often.... and figured that's just my computer lacking power or something. But one day we lost internet for a whole day... and I played that whole day and noticed no more frame rate drops. So then I tried exclusively offline and voila, no more framerate drops except for a couple of places where I think everyone sees them (downtown Boston is one area where I still see them sometimes). But overall switching to offline mode made a big difference.... in Fallout 4. Never noticed it playing any other Steam game online.

[peppermint hollows]

No, Bethesda did not patch anything. This game hasn't received a patch in 3 years.

[Zekiran]

What likely happened is that at some point you wandered too close to Ada and the encounter began without you. If you've been going that many levels, you're not going to get very far with it, it may just be broken entirely.

But the problem you're describing above is related to this encounter directly, more than likely - you broke the encounter a dozen or more levels ago that's why you haven't been getting any new quests.

[Skorne Tet'Zu]

First I have to say... 'I Care!'. And as to Why I Care... Because I think what you're attempting is Awesome! I may have to try that myself... uh, but with Mods (grin). But only Aesthetic Mods... Like Auto-Closing Doors and Such. But regardless; that is an Awesome Self-Challenge; You can't get more pure than that :). Heck... I haven't even tried Perma-Death; Now lets see how brave I am running to someone's rescue after a hundred or so hours of game play!!! Dude... You Rock!!!

Anyway... Regarding Your Problem:

Originally posted by Zekiran:

...more than likely - you broke the encounter a dozen or more levels ago that's why you haven't been getting any new quests.

... and Possibly the Aida situation.

I have No Idea what may or may not have happened; but what Zekiran is talking about happened to me once (years ago). After dealing with Kellogg, I left the building, and didn't see the Prydwen Fly by, but it was only the First and Second time I played, so I didn't think much about it. Many Many Many hours of Game Play later I boarded a Vertibird to Attack the BoS, but the Vertibird just flew... UnEndingly... to NoWhere. When I sought to find out what went wrong I found out it was because the Prydwen didn't show up when I left Fort Hagen. Since Prydwen wasn't Triggered (for some reason), the Vertibird (hours later) would never reach the Prydwen. There was nothing to do other than find a Save Game Prior to Kellogg, and do it all over again. But in my case, at least I knew from where I needed to start; and I had Save Games Available.

You may be ... out of Luck, but you still have to have some level of Satisfaction accomplishing what You have Accomplished!!! You're One Cool Old Fat Guy... Dude! :)

[OldFatGuy]

Originally posted by skorne_tetzu:

I may have to try that myself... Now lets see how brave I am running to someone's rescue after a hundred or so hours of game play!!!

I, of course, would encourage it... but it's obviously not for everyone. And in fairness, I have to give you one warning... if you try it.. and like it... you may not be able to play any other way, because that's what's happened to me. I can simply no longer pretend that time between a last save and death didn't happen. It DID happen. That character I was roleplaying died. S/He's dead. And recently (over the summer) I took a break from F4 and tried a couple of my two older favorites, Two Worlds and TES Morrowind.

So, I got lucky with Two Worlds. Played through perma death and beat the game on the third try (on Normal difficulty though). But Morrowind? Man I tried a whole bunch of times. Once I got all the way to level 40 or so in Morrowind... then died in a flash when some sort of dwarven super machine killed me in like two or three hits.

I restarted and decided to try again with just reloading saves but I simply COULD NOT do it. And you know what? There are probably some games that just can't be played that way and now I can no longer play those games because I just can NOT role play becoming dead anymore and "resurrecting" from days ago (in game time) as if those last few days never happened. I. Can't. Do. It.

But it's the adrenaline rush that's got me addicted. Man when you have 175 hours into a game and suddenly you're in a challenging situation.... wow, dude you really do feel it and play it as though it was real death. Cause man, it does HURT to make it to level 64 and then die.

As you stated, it changes how you play. You really, really, really don't just rush into a situation. I have gotten as high as level 77 and died.... and man that was painful. But I've had many, many, (probably over two or three dozen) games where I got hundreds of hours in...made it the 50's and 60's in level, and then died. And wow, I just can't put into words how different the "feeling" is when you know if you die that's it... start over or quit is your only option. You will be careful, and when death becomes near, dude you try ANYTHING, lol, and I mean ANYTHING not to have to go back to that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ start sequence, get out of the vault, and start over. I have, in times of impending death, eaten/drank just about every kind of med/food I have in my inventory. Jet is your friend. That's gotten me out of so many pickles... but not all obviously as I have yet to finish. lol

But I'm okay with it. If I die (IRL) and never finish.... I still got more than my money's worth out of this game for the literal years of enjoyment, fun, adrenaline rushes, and everything else. I'm either going to finally beat it on survival.... or I'm never going to finish it. And I'm okay with it either way.

But I am thinking Morrowind isn't a game for me to play anymore, because I can no longer play any role playing game other than perma death. Death means death. Not reloading. If you know you can just simply reload... well then real fear and real adrenaline rushes don't happen. You see a legendary Alpha Albino Deathclaw you just run up to it and if he kills you, hey just reload and try again. That's just not doing it for me anymore. And if that same thing happens to you... well you may be cussing me instead of thanking me lol.

Anyway, happy holidays to everyone... and to everyone... play the game any way you want. Save and reload every 5 minutes and use 1000 mods if that's how you want... or play strictly vanilla and perma-death, or anything in between. It's you game, play it your way. I still don't think anyone really cares how someone else plays their game.

[Skorne Tet'Zu]

I can't even comment ... I can only imagine!

But I will try on my next Run... I'm too deep into this current one, and not "Mentally" ready for such a challenge; but I will definitely be going Perm-Death on my next run (with Aesthetic Mods Only)... and "Yes"... cussing You for bring it up! LoL

It's actually funny... I was telling someone about you today (a Non-Gamer), and walked them through the Ridiculously Long Opening Sequence, including Character and Spouse design, to give them an idea of what one would have to deal with on top of losing 'Possibly' hours of game play. Their response was... "Then why would you do that? LoL... I Honestly couldn't give them an answer. ROFL

Anyway... Good Luck with this situation ... with whatever you end up doing.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by OldFatGuy:

So I'm guessing since I'm not willing to use any mods, and since the console is unavailable in survival mode (without a mod) then there's no way to advance this quest and if this really is finally the game I finish without dying even once then it will be without that DLC?

Not sure why people did not elaborate further on that...

1. Drop difficulty to non-survival
2. Use the console to fix the issue.
3. Use the console to re-enable survival:

cgf "Game.IncrementStat" "Survival Denied" -1

4. Change back to survival.

[Iron Knights]

This game does not play online however. You got your forums crossed.

[Skorne Tet'Zu]

I just stumbled on a completely different problem involving Ada... but the fix (which worked for some, but not for others), was to Fast Travel Far away, and then return, forcing the Cell to Reload. I believe you mentioned Fast Travel wasn't available in Survival Mode... but walking a long distance off... or, at least, entering a couple of difference Cells (i.e., Good Neighbor, then Hancock's place) may cause Aida to Reset, and continue.