Female protagonist tag?? when this madness ends?

[AMD Ryzen 7 5200HX 2.9GHz]

Okay look, I agree both genders should have same rights/decisions but adding
this tag to every single RPG game on Steam Store is just unwanted and unnecessary.

please dont get me wrong, I'm not getting angry to something but this just stupid,
I mean RPG games female and male characters which is really good: I'm a guy who
plays as female character in many RPGs like Mass Effect etc because its fun.
I have no problems with them

All I'm saying if some people keep adding this tag to every RPG/Sci-fi game then
we should add "Male Protagonist" tag too,

equality for both genders please. not only womans.

what do you guys think?

[Ed]

Messaggio originale di ???:

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

I don't think the tag needs to exist with games where you can choose (and more importantly, CREATE) your own main protagonist.

The majority of the steam community disagrees with you apparently. :summeryeti:

Well they can go bugger off.

My take is that any, if not most, "gender predjudice" is only a reflection of one's self. I don't support any feminsit movement because I cannot even comprehend the idea of someone being lesser than me based on gender or race, only by intelligence. Maybe some people should look into the mirror before they look at everyone else.

[Brandybuck]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Female protagonists in books only first became actually popular in the 20th century. Female protagonists in film became popular by the end of the 20th century, mostly as a result of the feminist movement.

<cough>Jane Austen<cough>

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

For literature, much of history it was effectively illegal to have interesting and likeable female main-characters. For film it wasn't illegal, but people would not watch your films unless their protagonists were white and male, and the state could still pull down your film for possible anti-imperialist notions (considering there were scores of white men who supported rights for women and coloured people, particularily communists)

I haven't seen so much s**t come out one **s since the 2004 Ex-Lax Festival.

Perhaps the earliest interesting and likable female protagonist in literature would probably be the Book of Ruth. Three thousand years old. I also heard the Book of Esther also made it to the best seller list. We had female protagonists in ancient Greek literature. Not a lot, but they were there and the playwrights were not arrested for it. Flaubert was not arrested for writing Madame Bovary. Charlotte Brontë was not arrested for Jane Eyre. Chaucer had several strong female protagonists, but last I heard the Canterbury Cops didn't haul him off to jail. Okay, Hester Prynne did go to jail, but that was in the book, the author remains free and at large.

If your college is teaching you this bulls**t, get out now while you still have a vestige of a brain.

[Ed]

Messaggio originale di Brandybuck:

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Female protagonists in books only first became actually popular in the 20th century. Female protagonists in film became popular by the end of the 20th century, mostly as a result of the feminist movement.

<cough>Jane Austen<cough>

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

For literature, much of history it was effectively illegal to have interesting and likeable female main-characters. For film it wasn't illegal, but people would not watch your films unless their protagonists were white and male, and the state could still pull down your film for possible anti-imperialist notions (considering there were scores of white men who supported rights for women and coloured people, particularily communists)

I haven't seen so much s**t come out one **s since the 2004 Ex-Lax Festival.

Perhaps the earliest interesting and likable female protagonist in literature would probably be the Book of Ruth. Three thousand years old. I also heard the Book of Esther also made it to the best seller list. We had female protagonists in ancient Greek literature. Not a lot, but they were there and the playwrights were not arrested for it. Flaubert was not arrested for writing Madame Bovary. Charlotte Brontë was not arrested for Jane Eyre. Chaucer had several strong female protagonists, but last I heard the Canterbury Cops didn't haul him off to jail. Okay, Hester Prynne did go to jail, but that was in the book, the author remains free and at large.

If your college is teaching you this bulls**t, get out now while you still have a vestige of a brain.

Please, calculate, just how much of the world's literary archive your examples take up?

You know, when I am comparing stuff to today, you notice that media depicting this-or-that starts to get into the double-digits of percentages as opposed to the double-decimal-digits of percentages of all art produced. Not to mention that not every peace of literature was made in Europe, considering China, India, and the Muslim world had a much harsher reaction to the notion of "strong women" which further lowers just how many pieces of literature actually would relate to your examples.

Funny how a few examples from several thousands of years of work and production can effectively conclude that there was not any sort of cultural and state-supported bias until after World War II. "Popular" tends to relate to a high requency of something being appreciated within a society, and since we are talking about production of art, not appreciation of art, my term "popular" relates to how popular it is among artists to produce something, not how popular it is among consumers to consume something.

And before we get at each other's throats here, I am not advocating anything, just stating pieces of logic.

[Brandybuck]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Please, calculate, just how much of the world's literary archive your examples take up?

You made the assertion that (and I quote) "For literature, much of history it was effectively illegal to have interesting and likeable female main-characters."

If it was illegal, give me one, ONE, example of an author being arrested for having a female protagonist in novel that wasn't about sex. One. Sexy novels may have been effectively illegal, but female protagonists were not. You made the claim, you back it up. One example. I've already given half a dozen counter examples ranging through history.

[Ed]

Messaggio originale di Brandybuck:

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Please, calculate, just how much of the world's literary archive your examples take up?

You made the assertion that (and I quote) "For literature, much of history it was effectively illegal to have interesting and likeable female main-characters."

If it was illegal, give me one, ONE, example of an author being arrested for having a female protagonist in novel that wasn't about sex. One. Sexy novels may have been effectively illegal, but female protagonists were not. You made the claim, you back it up. One example. I've already given half a dozen counter examples ranging through history.

I really don't care anymore. I am not willing to get dragged out of my house by the police for using too much internet, so I am not in the mood to continue this argument on a steam forum.

I concede defeat, I am stupid, you win. No, I am not brainwashed, I am just genuinely stupid.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Messaggio originale di Brandybuck:

If your college is teaching you this bulls**t, get out now while you still have a vestige of a brain.

I'd wager it's less college and more Chan.

Messaggio originale di Brandybuck:

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Please, calculate, just how much of the world's literary archive your examples take up?

You made the assertion that (and I quote) "For literature, much of history it was effectively illegal to have interesting and likeable female main-characters."

If it was illegal, give me one, ONE, example of an author being arrested for having a female protagonist in novel that wasn't about sex. One. Sexy novels may have been effectively illegal, but female protagonists were not. You made the claim, you back it up. One example. I've already given half a dozen counter examples ranging through history.

It's nice to see someone getting much smarter here over time. :3

[Brandybuck]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

I really don't care anymore. I am not willing to get dragged out of my house by the police for using too much internet...

That's why you need an internet meter, so you don't go over your daily ration and get arrested. Trust me, you don't want to get arrested for using too much internet. There are some really hardcore internet users in prison and you don't want to be made their sock puppet.

[Ed]

Messaggio originale di Brandybuck:

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

I really don't care anymore. I am not willing to get dragged out of my house by the police for using too much internet...

That's why you need an internet meter, so you don't go over your daily ration and get arrested. Trust me, you don't want to get arrested for using too much internet. There are some really hardcore internet users in prison and you don't want to be made their sock puppet.

No, I am serious, you have no clue what southern India has become like. Governor shut down an entire highway because his son thought it was too loud.

I am just glad that Steam uses so damn little internet, as long as games aren't updating.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Governor shut down an entire highway because his son thought it was too loud.

That sounds like something that would be on a Tropico 5 loading screen along with tidbits about people like Idi Amin, Francois Duvalier, and Francisco Nguema.

[Ed]

Messaggio originale di Dosbilliam (Permanent Smartass):

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Governor shut down an entire highway because his son thought it was too loud.

That sounds like something that would be on a Tropico 5 loading screen along with tidbits about people like Idi Amin, Francois Duvalier, and Francisco Nguema.

Except India is corrupt democracy, not fascist or communist (this country is better off being run by the national socialists, maybe not the communists). I COULD bribe the governor to allow me more internet, but I work at a mission, not a hospital. I am not paying hundreds just to dodge the law when I could wait for my contract to finish to go back home.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Messaggio originale di Dosbilliam (Permanent Smartass):

That sounds like something that would be on a Tropico 5 loading screen along with tidbits about people like Idi Amin, Francois Duvalier, and Francisco Nguema.

Except India is corrupt democracy, not fascist or communist (this country is better off being run by the national socialists, maybe not the communists).

A number of leaders like the ones I mentioned were democratically elected. It all matters as to how they act after the election.

If it says anything, when I'm playing Tropico my usual strategy is a somewhat-communist where the people are happy and I'm making barely any SBA because the usual ways are inefficient for the economy as a whole. Once you get about two thousand people in 5, though, it's hard to keep everyone employed. D:

[Incunabulum]

Messaggio originale di DeltaForce:

All I'm saying if some people keep adding this tag to every RPG/Sci-fi game then
we should add "Male Protagonist" tag too,

equality for both genders please. not only womans.

what do you guys think?

What do *I* think? I think that if its so important to you, get out there and start adding the 'Male Protagonist' tag to games rather than coming on to the forumand ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that *others* should do it.

And I think that if you're not willing to do that then you're just another Twitter warrior.

[ShikenNuggets]

Messaggio originale di Incunabulum:

Messaggio originale di DeltaForce:

All I'm saying if some people keep adding this tag to every RPG/Sci-fi game then
we should add "Male Protagonist" tag too,

equality for both genders please. not only womans.

what do you guys think?

What do *I* think? I think that if its so important to you, get out there and start adding the 'Male Protagonist' tag to games rather than coming on to the forumand ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that *others* should do it.

And I think that if you're not willing to do that then you're just another Twitter warrior.

In all fairness, it takes more than one person to accomplish what he's attempting to accomplish.

[Fenrisfil]

There should probably be a "Chose your Gender" tag or "Character Designer" rag really. Because to me "Female Protagonist" suggests a game like Tomb Raider, where you can only be female, while "Female Protagonist, Male Protagonist" suggests a game with two specific protagonists, one of each gender such as Max Payne 2 (where you have to play as both Max and ♥♥♥♥) or the upcoming Dishonoured 2 (where I believe it is a choice).

Of course I never look at tags anyway, so it doesn't make a lot of difference to me.

[???]

Messaggio originale di Jarl of Whiterun:

Messaggio originale di ???:

The majority of the steam community disagrees with you apparently.

Well they can go bugger off.

My take is that any, if not most, "gender predjudice" is only a reflection of one's self. I don't support any feminsit movement because I cannot even comprehend the idea of someone being lesser than me based on gender or race, only by intelligence. Maybe some people should look into the mirror before they look at everyone else.

"I don't have a problem, so I don't support other people who have problems" lol. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass before you start talking down to other people about bigotry you're so woefully ignorant about.

Messaggio originale di ShikenNuggets:

In all fairness, it takes more than one person to accomplish what he's attempting to accomplish.

I think that's kind of the point. There only seem to be a very, very small...minority of people who are shall we say...triggered by this tag. Suddenly they want the majority to bow to their every whim, oh the irony when the boot is on the other foot.

Or you know, that maybe it just takes like half a second to add a tag to something. Either or.