60 FPS is overrated

[Starbug]

I'm happy to get this on PS4 if it's cheaper (like how the physical copy of MGS on PS4 is cheaper than steam). The whole 30 v 60 FPS thing is just overblown.

Todd says they are trying to talk to sony about adding mod support. Even though my PC could run this I probably prefer to get it on PS4 for the wireless controller and to provide further justification for buying the console in the first place.

[Starbug]

Originally posted by TurretPlug:

A Experienced eye can tell 30 fps from 60 fps in one second. Some gamers are just not as refined as others.

60 FPS is still overrated and holding back games graphical fidelity to keep a minority happy.

[Dr. Jan Itor]

Video game nerds should be legally barred from holding political opinions.

[Starbug]

Originally posted by MiG-21bis Fishbed-L:

Video game nerds should be legally barred from holding political opinions.

That's how authoritarian regimes start, isn't it.

[Spider-Mom]

Let me ask you guys something. Is there thearipy in there? How do I get aqua teen

[Starbug]

Originally posted by sniperjoe2k:

Originally posted by Starbug:

60 FPS is still overrated and holding back games graphical fidelity to keep a minority happy.

I don't think its the frames being displayed on your tv/monitor that's holding back the graphical fidelity of video games ;)

30 lush frames of max settings makes me happy.

[JustPorter]

Originally posted by sniperjoe2k:

So I just watched Mush's latest video about this very topic, and I have to admit he makes a very good point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZarF92Zfi0

Sorry if I came off strong as a snob and *** with my last post. For the record, I actually enjoy playing on console more than PC sometimes, I do like relaxing in my bedroom with a controller.

I think he did a very good explanation. I still occasionally play around 30fps if I have to (like on my Yoga 3 tablet/laptop) but prefer 60 or even higher if I'm using a display that supports it.

[Agitated_Squirrel]

Even if my computer was on the same level as a ps4, id still get Fallout or any Bethesda game on pc for 1 the replayability from mods and 2 the unofficial patches. Not all mods will release on console you guys know their going to be heavily policed.

http://30vs60.com/ I had too

[Ladez]

Originally posted by Starbug:

60 FPS is still overrated and holding back games graphical fidelity to keep a minority happy.

No, you got it backwards. It's the obsession with graphical fidelity that's pushing developers to create fancier graphics, which in turn leads to a sacrifice in framerate. If gamers stopped obsessing over graphics, even the console gamers could enjoy stable framerates at 60 per second. There is nothing overrated about it, playing at 60 fps is objectively better. There's no argument to be had about it.

[Starbug]

Originally posted by Ladez:

playing at 60 fps is objectively better.

What if you only "see" 44 fps? Can there ever be an objectively correct statement made regarding the subjective perception of visual data transmitted by the optic nerve to the back of the brain?

I say no, but am open to any science or what not.

[Ladez]

Originally posted by Starbug:

What if you only "see" 44 fps? Can there ever be an objectively correct statement made regarding the subjective perception of visual data transmitted by the optic nerve to the back of the brain?

I say no, but am open to any science or what not.

Our eyes don't see in frames, it perceives changes in light sent through our optic nerves through an ongoing process, not something that gets packaged up and sent every fraction of a second. The fact that people are able to accurately and persistently tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps and 120 fps should be all the evidence you need. The fact that people thought The Hobbit in 48fps looked "funny" should be all the evidence you need.

It's entirely possible that there is an upper limit and it's possible that it may vary from person to person due to various conditions, old age, and general lack of response time in the brain. But the potential for it is there, due to how the eye processes information. I honestly believe that the majority of those who claim to not see a difference just have never bothered to look for it.

As for the objectivity of 60fps being better, this is indisputable. Due to the eye picking up new information at a faster rate, you're able reduce to your response time to things that are happening on screen with the added bonus of motion appearing to be smoother. People can claim to subjectively not see it all they want, but throwing around objective statements about how many frames our eyes can pick up every second is complete hogwash.

So the question is; is it alright for video game developers to purposefully handicap their products for those who want high framerates, so that they can look prettier for those who don't?

I say no. I'd rather have them either provide the players with options, or work towards a balance. Popular opinion indicates that 60fps is that balance.

[NaBeHobby]

The thing is, frame dropping happens in every game. It's especially noticeable in 30 fps locked games when they can drop to 20 frames... If you cannot tell the difference between 60 or 30 frames, you'll definitely notice it when it's 20 while explosions, or other demanding special effects happen.

After playing Witcher 3 and Bloodborne for my PS4, I'm never going to buy anymore 30 fps console games unless it's an exclusive.

[Morrandir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL5kOyHWI_E

[shiv]

making a title like that is a great way to make sure no one takes you seriously.

its like saying hd is overrated because mah dadday played games at 640x480 and he gamed just fine back in his day. also colour tv is overrated because black and white was just perfectly acceptable back in the 50s.

[Starbug]

Originally posted by shiv:

its like saying hd is overrated because mah dadday played games at 640x480

No, it's not.

[shiv]

what, so a smooth framerate is overrated, but high resolution isnt? how does that work? isn't his the bit where you tell me the human eye cant see over 720p or something?