So Bethesda's Todd Howard has a reputation for "Lying" like Peter Molyneux

[Crazy Alchemy]

And in that way Peter Molyneux is good at, where what he says can technically be interpreted as true if you interpret it in a way that no reasonable person would normally.

I personally don't think the whole "See a mountain, you can climb it" meme is justified in calling him a liar, since you could climb a lot of the mountains, but relevant to Fallout 4 over 111k lines of dialogue is being boasted about as a feature.

Sounds good right? Over 111k lines of dialogue, that's a lot of dialogue isn't it? Well when you add up the dialogue from the male and female voice actors for the player character, you're down to about 80 thousand, and how many of those lines do you want to bet will be NPC's calling you by the names they put in there?

One thing that stood out to me was the narrative that Fallout 3 has over twenty endings. That sounds good until you realize that the vast majority of those "different" endings only have like one or two screenshots difference, those would have never been considered separate endings by any normal standard.

How can we trust anything Todd Howard says?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJA2ryBvMK4

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Автор сообщения: Soul

Remember when the Borderlands was being advertised and they claim to have millions of different guns when there are simply 8 different guns where in each one the difference being statistics, color and some little modifications.
Tell me did Gearbox lie to us or trying to trick customer into buying their game?

Answer me already OP

[Betelgeuse]

borderlands used the Diablo style in a new way .. thats why it succeeded

[Ruin]

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

Автор сообщения: Ruin

Yep, you've proven everything I accused you of right there... Butchered the post down to a couple lines

...make a fallacious tu quoque argument, then quote some bs I'd already addressed pages ago

*ignores the rest of the garbage you posted*

Of course you ignored the 'garbage' I posted... As I brought your entire thread into question, by challenging the assertion that the 111,000 lines of dialogue Twitter announcement even come from Todd Howard...

It came from Bethesda's Official Twitter account...

This is NOT Todd Howard's personal Twitter account, and it would be managed by someone in Bethesda's Media department as it covers ALL of Bethesda games, including Fallout Shelter, Doom, The Elder Scrolls Online and Dishonoured... So your claims about Todd Howard supposedly lieing went up in smoke right there, but you don't want to address that...

Oh no... Of course you don't, so you'll just accuse me of being a hypocrit and claim you addressed my comments pages ago - without actually identify EXACTLY WHAT COMMENTS you apparently addressed...

This is also excluding the fact you have demonstrated a propensity for hypocritical behaviour, mud slinging, confirmation bias, finding false correlations and the outright fabrication of 'evidence', in order to try and prove your view...

But no... No... You don't want to address the fact that the announcement did not come from Tood, but from the official Twitter feed, as it drops a nuke right into your paranoid delusions that the big bad Todd Howard is fibbing to all the poor widdle gamers and you might actually have to acknowledge your anti-Todd crusade might have been brought to a screaming halt...

But, oh no... No... It's just easier to ignore all this and, in your very own tu quoque argument, accuse me for ad hominem attacks when you've buried yourself just as firmly in the mud from a very early point in the thread...

So, you go right ahead and ignore all this... You go single out some insignificant and irrelevant sentence and attack that, while completely ignoring the crux of this post... I'll just go and quote it in full if I have to, so really, go right ahead and butcher it...

[FraggleRock Ampersand]

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

Автор сообщения: Betelgeuse

Molyneux Games are usually crap and far too childish ... Fallout/TES Games are usually good *nuff said ^^*

While I'm inclined to agree, somewhat, they both seem to have cultivated a similar reputation for "lying" about the games they're involved with.

Only in the minds of petulant manchildren.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Автор сообщения: Soul

Автор сообщения: Soul

Remember when the Borderlands was being advertised and they claim to have millions of different guns when there are simply 8 different guns where in each one the difference being statistics, color and some little modifications.
Tell me did Gearbox lie to us or trying to trick customer into buying their game?

Answer me already OP

That does seem pretty misleading.

[Crazy Alchemy]

Автор сообщения: Betelgeuse

honestly: never heard of todd howard .. but if hes responsible for the Fallout/Tes Games .. well i love them .. no matter what they say ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNh3NmcNNM8

Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas, and all of Bethesda's games have rather large teams behind them.

I loved Skyrim (when it was modded anyway) but one thing it didn't have was a well written interactive dialogue system. NPC's sometimes had like 80 lines of dialogue, but pretty much all you could do was nod you head, and decide whether to agree to do whatever fetch quests they assigned you.

[Ruin]

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

Автор сообщения: Soul

Answer me already OP

That does seem pretty misleading.

Yeah, it's called hyperbole...

[Crazy Alchemy]

Автор сообщения: Ruin

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

That does seem pretty misleading.

Yeah, it's called hyperbole...

It's like that time Todd said Fallout 3 has more than 20 endings.

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Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

Автор сообщения: Soul

Answer me already OP

That does seem pretty misleading.

And so is this thread of yours.
You see the problem there with your logic, it is misleading.
You claim FO4 having 111k+ dialogue lines with some of them being identical will somehow fool customers into buying the game and hence boost their sale.
You see now when apply this logic to Borderlands and how misleading it is.
CONCLUSION: OP your entire original post is misleading and should not be taken literally.

[Ruin]

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

Автор сообщения: Ruin

Yeah, it's called hyperbole...

It's like that time Todd said Fallout 3 has more than 20 endings.

No, more like you see that mountain, you can climb it...

FO3 on the other hand, did have some 20 odd variations on the ending, depending on the player's activties... No one said you'd see 20 unique cinematics etc...

[Straybow]

Автор сообщения: Ruin

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

It's like that time Todd said Fallout 3 has more than 20 endings.

No, more like you see that mountain, you can climb it...

FO3 on the other hand, did have some 20 odd variations on the ending, depending on the player's activties... No one said you'd see 20 unique cinematics etc...

Would it be fair then to say that vegas had over 150 endings?

[Betelgeuse]

@OP:Thank you .. i didnt know that about obsidian :rolleyes: ... i hope you know that there was once a world with boxed games NOT bound to steam right? .. all you can see now is my fallout:new vegas activity here but i played em all .. including the TES games (and Fable ... microsoft needs refund policy on xbox games ^^)

[Crazy Alchemy]

Автор сообщения: Soul

Автор сообщения: Red ♥♥♥♥

That does seem pretty misleading.

You claim FO4 having 111k+ dialogue lines with some of them being identical will somehow fool customers into buying the game and hence boost their sale.

No, I claim that hyping 111k lines of dialogue without mentioning to the customers that so many of them are identical repeat lines for the voiced protagonist is misleading because it gave customers the wrong idea.

Автор сообщения: Soul

You see now when apply this logic to Borderlands and how misleading it is.

That would seem to be misleading also.

Автор сообщения: Soul

CONCLUSION

The conclusion appears to be a non sequitur.

[FraggleRock Ampersand]

And they'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling internet detectives and their amazing ability to never admit they're wrong!

[Crazy Alchemy]

Автор сообщения: Lysimarkos

Автор сообщения: Ruin

No, more like you see that mountain, you can climb it...

FO3 on the other hand, did have some 20 odd variations on the ending, depending on the player's activties... No one said you'd see 20 unique cinematics etc...

Would it be fair then to say that vegas had over 150 endings?

It would be fair to say that New Vegas has however many ending combinations it has, which is what's actually touted about New Vegas.

However, the endings in Fallout 3 are mostly the same narration with slightly different screenshots, only altered a little based on your Karma and whether or not you have a dog.

In New Vegas, the endings are more divergent.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings