Not happy with the quest Diamond City Blues *Spoilers*

[Henry Ravenswood]

So yeah, this quest is a great example of Bethesda's linear quest writing. It all starts with a little trouble between this bartender and this other guy, because the bartender sleeps with the other guys woman. Okay, so I try to resolve this situation with diplomacy. It works out and from here on the quest becomes weird.

Suddenly the bartender thinks he owes the other guy more than just an excuse. Well fine, then he should give him money or something. But nope, he wants him and me to take part in a raid on a drug deal. Dafuq? That's supposed to be a reward for us? And I have no way to avoid that. There really should be an option to opt out at this point.

And it gets even worse. Once you reach the drug deal the drug dealers will attack you after you have talked with them. There is no way of siding with them instead, or a way to calm the situation down between the two parties. A proper written quest should have at the least those options. In addition it would have been nice to be able to tell security about the drug deal.

But nope, Bethesda shows again how they often favor linear quests. You know, in New Vegas, almost every quest had many ways to be solved, including ratting out your quest givers, or switching mid-quest...

TL:DR: Quest forces you to do bad things without any way to solve the situation in a different way. Also no option to tell security about it or change sides. And all of this starts out with something that absolutely doen't makes you aware of, that you would be involved in a drug deal.

[Damedius]

I wasn't a fan of that quest line either TBH.

Your choices are either ignore the quest or become a criminal.

On a side note though, it seems to be the most lucrative quest I have found.

[Henry Ravenswood]

Yes, looting all the chems was ridiculously rewarding. Now I am a drug addict. :D

[methaniel]

" In addition it would have been nice to be able to tell security about the drug deal." Security would barely do ♥♥♥♥ outside of the walls of diamond city

[Henry Ravenswood]

The major of Diamond City surely would be interested in this. After all, drugs are legal there and the drug deal only happens, because they want to prevent paying taxes to the major. The security could ask you to collect evidence of the drug deal, then arresting everyone involved, once the set foot into Diamond City.

[SaltyPeanuts]

The morale of the story: murdering strangers makes cheating ok. Especially if the strangers are drug dealing ghouls.

[Winter]

There are already multiple ways to do that quest. The options and the many consequences for all of them after are ridiculously complicated (and some are downright buggy).

"Ratting them out to Security" just isn't one of them. Chems aren't illegal in that town. The city would just take a small cut out of the deal, and that isn't a resolution. And Diamond City security aren't the Wasteland Police. They keep the peace in the city. They don't pick fights with people outside the city.

There is no one to "Rat Them Out To".

If your main character is the Minuteman General, and that's likely, YOU are the closest thing to an authority figure outside the city walls.

[Wasabi Wei]

The wife just keeps asking about her missing husband with no apparent next step in sight. I'm glad I didn't give a ♥♥♥♥ and moved on. Sounds like a pretty weak questline. I was annoyed from the first scene in the bar onward.

[Syntax Error]

Frankly, just about everyone in Diamond City deserves to be weighed down with rocks and tossed into a flooded quarry. Except Nick. And maybe Piper. Although Piper straight up abandoned her child-aged sister to explore nuclear ruins and boink on stained Raider mattresses with me so she ain't so great a person either.

[Smakit]

Originally posted by Koscht:

There is no one to "Rat Them Out To".

If your main character is the Minuteman General, and that's likely, YOU are the closest thing to an authority figure outside the city walls.

Which is fine to me. But why isn't calling the guy out to stop cheating with the wife, but then just saying "Hey, I'm not interested" in the drug trade?

Why is the character at that point forced to shake him down and take part in the drug quest (or blow the guy's face off)? Barring getting the guy in trouble somehow or threatening him with a speech check, just saying no to THAT part of the quest after dealing with the first should certainly be an option.

And yeah, it is buggy as hell. I helped the guy with his wife, ended up the bartended died in the drug exchange (not to me), and he just blames me for ruining his life. Just a terrible quest all over the place.

[Rambo First Blunt]

I agree, this quest sucked. I felt the same way when you did, kind of forced into killing someone, then now i have to deal with the triggermen attacking me in diamond city for the rest of the game. Great Thanks. I even payed off some guy in Goodneighbor thinking that would stop those annoying attacks, but NOPE.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Syntax Error:

Frankly, just about everyone in Diamond City deserves to be weighed down with rocks and tossed into a flooded quarry. Except Nick. And maybe Piper. Although Piper straight up abandoned her child-aged sister to explore nuclear ruins and boink on stained Raider mattresses with me so she ain't so great a person either.

What about Nick's secretary?

[Syntax Error]

Ehhhhhhh..... maybe. I hate to start making exceptions now. then everyone's gonna want one

[MaxDoomSWE]

There are sooo many quests that are linear in Fallout 4, its not even funny. I dont see how anyone would play through this game more than one time (or perhaps two if you want to play as female for some variation in dialogues). And that sucks. Because in Fallout 3 and NV you had a karma system and much more different choices to make that actually changed big parts of the entire story. Fallout 4 lacks this and has moved away from the roleplaying experience i loved in 3 and NV. Thats very sad. And unfortunately true.

[Og-the-Trog]

Yeah this is a lame quest.
-Ignore the guy when he asks for help, concerned he'll do something rash without you
---He gets himself killed, thanks pal
-Go there by yourself
---get roped into ambushing a drug deal with a hefty set of consequences
---Kill the barman, get roped into into ambushing the drug deal
-Go there with paul
---Get roped into ambushing the drug deal
---Kill the barman in cold blood, get roped into ambushing the drug deal
-You kill the barman for any other reason
---Get roped into ambushing the drug deal

Could we just...not?
Just walking away during dialogue & using console commands to complete the quest don't resolve it either- they just sit there in the bar staring at eachother & waiting for your input forever.

Seems like a rather obvious option for them to miss it, especially with all the 'loose ends' quests that follow this one.


I think I'll just...'disable' Paul before he talks to me.
For those that come after:
open the console and either click on him & type 'disable', or type:
disable (00002f16)[PP]
& to undo it, type
enable (00002f16)[PP]

Just tested it & he disappeared & reappeared properly.

If you started the quest & want to get rid of it, for me its ID was MS13. I think you have to set it to complete.

[Henry Ravenswood]

What's also ridiculous is that the bar just sits empty after this quest, forever. Yet people keep talking about how much they like it there.