Pirates

[Gengis Dhen]

Just out of interest and open for discussion, I checked a few torrent sites to see how F4 was placed and was very surprised to find that on a rough average there are 50k+ F4 torrents being downloaded, per site. (Its the top game being downloaded on ALL sites)
This figure must have dropped somewhat as the game is a few days in.

So, I know of say 10 sites but there must be more.
Downloding the game might take say 3hrs, so thats a constant 50k downloads every 3hrs, every day and on multible sites...

How can this be allowed to happen with a massively funded game such as this?

What could've been done to prevent this?

How can these or any other devs not be too concerned with this 'wastage' baring in mind security is part of any games developement process?

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by The Crimson ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by ethanfel:

Nothing can be done about this. The industry tried for decade, with the golden age of DRM (FU Ubisoft) and the only player impacted was the honnest one.

Phantom Pain is pretty much impossible to pirate because of their anti pirate thingy (forgot its name) but its pirate's worst nightmare

so actualy it CAN BE DONE
good luck finding working MGS Phantom Pain from other sources other than buying it

It's been cracked.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by tizuby:

Originally posted by The Crimson ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Phantom Pain is pretty much impossible to pirate because of their anti pirate thingy (forgot its name) but its pirate's worst nightmare

so actualy it CAN BE DONE
good luck finding working MGS Phantom Pain from other sources other than buying it

It's been cracked.

really? ... so much for improved anti pirate drm over ground zeroes

[zsedan]

Originally posted by tizuby:

Originally posted by The Crimson ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Phantom Pain is pretty much impossible to pirate because of their anti pirate thingy (forgot its name) but its pirate's worst nightmare

so actualy it CAN BE DONE
good luck finding working MGS Phantom Pain from other sources other than buying it

It's been cracked.

Every PC game is crackable

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by Burke:

Originally posted by Chances:

"Pirates are players who never intend to buy the game, regardless." (Believe the devs at CDPR said that, could be wrong there)

This exactly. I have a friend who pirated Fallout 4 and plans to pirate MGSV. He has no intention of spending money on games right now or in the forseeable future.

This is why they stopped doing DRM. Once they realized pirates weren't actually lost sales and compared it to how much DRM costs they realized DRM is a money pit.

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by The Crimson ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by tizuby:

It's been cracked.

really? ... so much for improved anti pirate drm over ground zeroes

The most that's ever been done was like a 4 week delay. And it cost so much money to do so for near 0 ROI it's unbelievable.

[Spocks Toupee]

You want to eliminate piracy?

Let a customer return a dud of a game if they don't like it or it doesn't run on their computer.

Steam took a step in the right direction by providing refunds, but the extremely small time limit just isn't enough.

Hell, I logged 3 hours of "game time" just trying to get Lego Batman 3 to RUN on my system.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by The Crimson ♥♥♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by ethanfel:

Nothing can be done about this. The industry tried for decade, with the golden age of DRM (FU Ubisoft) and the only player impacted was the honnest one.

Phantom Pain is pretty much impossible to pirate because of their anti pirate thingy (forgot its name) but its pirate's worst nightmare

so actualy it CAN BE DONE
good luck finding working MGS Phantom Pain from other sources other than buying it

Oh yes, no.
AFAIK, pirates have long cracked it. As I read, it was a simple work around (relatively) and you only needed inconvenience yourself by adjusting your PC clock to some Chinese, Japanese timeline, or smt like that.

So, whatever developers think of, the pirates will eventually overcome. There is nothing you can't emulate or create for something to work as intended. I remember when AC2 came out, they built vitual server emulators etc, to get around the Ubisoft online connection and unlocking. A decent cracker can get most games to work

[Laptop]

The "make a great game and people will buy it" argument isn't necessarily correct. The Witcher 3 has been very successful, but it has been pirated a huge amount also. Given the amount of resources and money that went into that game (and are still going into that game), they were only able to actually make a profit off it because it was so popular. Yes it did well, but it was still pirated a huge amount also.

Pirates will exist until the world governments come together to shut the torrents sites down. Sadly, the pirates are inept on trying to find stupid "loopholes" in laws and questionably justifable reasons that it is okay to pirate (there are 0 genuine reasons to pirate, for the record).

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:

You want to eliminate piracy?

Let a customer return a dud of a game if they don't like it or it doesn't run on their computer.

Steam took a step in the right direction by providing refunds, but the extremely small time limit just isn't enough.

Hell, I logged 3 hours of "game time" just trying to get Lego Batman 3 to RUN on my system.

That wouldn't stop piracy because most pirates weren't going to pay for the game in the first place (there's nothing to return).

MOST people (not all) who say "I'm just pirating it to try it out and I'll buy it later" don't. Some may get it when it's on sale, but not a great number.

[gamertaboo]

Originally posted by Gengis Dhen:

Just out of interest and open for discussion, I checked a few torrent sites to see how F4 was placed and was very surprised to find that on a rough average there are 50k+ F4 torrents being downloaded, per site. (Its the top game being downloaded on ALL sites)
This figure must have dropped somewhat as the game is a few days in.

So, I know of say 10 sites but there must be more.
Downloding the game might take say 3hrs, so thats a constant 50k downloads every 3hrs, every day and on multible sites...

How can this be allowed to happen with a massively funded game such as this?

What could've been done to prevent this?

How can these or any other devs not be too concerned with this 'wastage' baring in mind security is part of any games developement process?

No no no no no...

You are probably seeing 50k seeds. Almost all of the free public torrent sites use the same seeds for half of their stuff.

[Tizferatu]

Originally posted by Laptop65:

The "make a great game and people will buy it" arguement isn't necessarily correct. The Witcher 3 has been very successful, but it has been pirated a huge amount also. Given the amount of resources and money that went into that game (and are still going into that game), they were only able to actually make a profit off it because it was so popular. Yes it did well, but it was still pirated a huge amount also.

Most games are pirated a pretty significant amount. But it doesn't hurt sales, and TW3 making a profit was just going to happen.

Games that don't make a profit were never going to whether piracy existed or not.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Laptop65:

The "make a great game and people will buy it" arguement isn't necessarily correct. The Witcher 3 has been very successful, but it has been pirated a huge amount also. Given the amount of resources and money that went into that game (and are still going into that game), they were only able to actually make a profit off it because it was so popular. Yes it did well, but it was still pirated a huge amount also.

you know whats the hilarious part? most people pirate games to see how they will run on their system before buying

majority of piracy would have been avoided if developers released free demos or at least to reduce costs .. release benchmark demos since most written system requirements are useless because they will never fully be accurate due to vast amount of variables like hardware type , drivers , system and hardware health , hardware brands, succesful oc , optimization etc etc etc

[gamertaboo]

Originally posted by tizuby:

That wouldn't stop piracy because most pirates weren't going to pay for the game in the first place (there's nothing to return).

MOST people (not all) who say "I'm just pirating it to try it out and I'll buy it later" don't. Some may get it when it's on sale, but not a great number.

That's not true. I know that there are probably some who lie like that, but I don't think it's MOST. Not from what I've seen.

[Denverino]

There will always be pirates for various reasons such as they can't afford it, want to try it or simply don't like the game dev and don't want to pay them but "fighting" piracy only makes it worse when EA and Ubisoft used DRM more people pirated the games because with the pirated version they didn't have to deal with any DRM whereas a game like Fallout 4 with no DRM sold very well and yes it has pirates every game does but out of those pirates maybe 5% would consider buying the game at a later date the other 95% will simply never buy it.

Yes piracy is a crime however it simply cannot be stopped due to the sheer size and nature of the internet and trying to fight piracy doesn't and won't ever work especially when the pirates your trying to fight weren't going to be customers either way. The only way to combat piracy is to release free demo's for your game or free benchmark tests that users can download to see if they can run a game because I have friends who pirate simply to see if it runs then they buy it but apart from that there isn't much that can be done.

[Spocks Toupee]

Originally posted by tizuby:

MOST people (not all) who say "I'm just pirating it to try it out and I'll buy it later" don't. Some may get it when it's on sale, but not a great number.

Citation please