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... 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 3:49
Question(s) about character creation
Are we still -forced- to choose between "male" or "female" gender during character creation? Can we avoid making that option?
For example, can we create character with feminine body configuration, but at the same time with "male" voice? Or is it all locked to that one binary choice, so player can only be "male" or "female" with all the standard characteristics and norms that are connected to one of those classifications?

This might seem petty or insignificant to some, but for me this signifies a choice between buying or not buying. I have no intentions to pay for something that will then proceed to force feed me assortment of social norms different to my own. Not anymore.
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Quality Diabetes 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:12 
It'd be pretty neat if I game would release, and people wouldn't feel the need to insert gender politics into a game, so that it satiates their personal needs. The character is a pre-established existing character with a spouse, and a biologically related child. There is no transgender, non-binary, gender fluid or other gender options. You are stuck with Male or Female, and if that's a deal breaker for you, I am sorry to hear that's the case. With that said though, it seems like a very petty reason to not play a game, but we all have our reasons.

Apologies if this comes does come off as arrogant, or dismissive though.
rooted 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:20 
引用自 LEVEL 30 WIZARD
Your gender choice doesn't matter either way because you're playing as a brainwashed synth
"Story wise" not so much, but it visually and audio makes a difference though. Character customization, yknow.
Brian9824 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:23 
引用自 Agent Cooper
引用自 brian9824
Your charachter is established as being married
Your charachter is established as having a kid
Your charachter is established as having lost his/her spouse + kid
etc
.
Yet player's choice of personal gender identification has absolutely no significance for any of those.
Not a single one of those things is of such kind that it can be used as justification for limiting player character to binary gender choice.

True, they could add it. They could also add option to make your charachter Jewish and if you select it you can't eat any food in the game because its not kosher. They could also add option to make your charachter Amish and make it so he can't use a pip boy, any weapons, or any healing items and can only walk around and talk to people. I know gay gamers, and they have no problem playing a game where their charachter is married to a female charachter. It's just a video game.

Just because they can do something doesn't mean they should. I don't see any Jewish people posting that they are offended because there are no kosher food alternatives in the game and they are forced to eat non kosher food. Pretty sure they understand its just a game and that playing as a non jewish charachter is not a reflection on themselves.

I always love the hypocrisy here. I'm transgender and I want to be treated the same as everyone else. Followed by I'm transgender and I demand that all games feature a transgender charachter so I can play as a special snowflake.

Again, who you are, what you believe in, etc doesn't matter. Your given a role with choices to customize that role. If those chocies aren't sufficient for you deal with it. You obviously play other games that give you no choice as to your charachter appearance at all.
... 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:26 
引用自 Boomie
Hey let me fix it for you.


DON"T BUY THE GAME.

There.
Have a nice life.
Thing is, I do want to buy it, I do want to play it.
And this is such a ridiculously minor thing to implement in a game that already has a large degree of visual character customisation, and yet one that is extremely important to many folks.
Sir Taffsalot 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:36 
If it was really that easy to implement, that option would have been there from the start. Bethesda is actually investing a lot into trying to portray themselves as a "progressive" company. So, if that was so easy to do, the would have done it.
Brian9824 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:36 
引用自 Agent Cooper
引用自 Boomie
Hey let me fix it for you.


DON"T BUY THE GAME.

There.
Have a nice life.
Thing is, I do want to buy it, I do want to play it.
And this is such a ridiculously minor thing to implement in a game that already has a large degree of visual character customisation, and yet one that is extremely important to many folks.

I think you exaggerate how important it is. I mean afterall you bought the previous Fallout games and it didn't have it.

Honestly it would offend more people by adding it then by not adding it. There are alot of groups that are very against and and while I don't agree with them they vastly outnumber those who would care about said feature.

Not to mention it boils down to the basic point of its not needed. Your not re-creating yourself and living your life. Your playing as a charachter with a backstory and part of that backstory includes family dynamics. So if playing as a straight video game charachter makes you that uncomfortable the issue isn't with the game but with your own confidence. I've played games where party members were gay and it doesn't offend me.
... 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:46 
Not identifying as a "male" or "female" does not prevent one from having a family.

And this is a matter of principle for me. Having a role playing game that offers deep character customization and yet insists on limiting me in such a personal way, and on forcing beliefs and norms on me... that isn't something I want to experience anymore.
Straybow 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 5:49 
引用自 Agent Cooper
Not identifying as a "male" or "female" does not prevent one from having a family.

And this is a matter of principle for me. Having a role playing game that offers deep character customization and yet insists on limiting me in such a personal way, and on forcing beliefs and norms on me... that isn't something I want to experience anymore.

I suppose technically the character creator has a prompt for sex and not gender. if this helps.
Brian9824 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:00 
引用自 Agent Cooper
Not identifying as a "male" or "female" does not prevent one from having a family.

And this is a matter of principle for me. Having a role playing game that offers deep character customization and yet insists on limiting me in such a personal way, and on forcing beliefs and norms on me... that isn't something I want to experience anymore.

Ahhh the Hypocrisy. So its perfectly fine to play as a straight macho male in doom, thief, etc, but its not ok to play as a straight male in Fallout 4.

The amount of entitlement people have these day's is amazing. They expect game developers to cater to every little choice and provide options to please every person. That's not going to happen.

If they changed the game everytime a racial, religious group, etc made a demand we'd have the most boring game in the world.

We'd have no mutants from soft right wing religious zealots
We'd have no brahmin because of particular indian groups
We'd have no food in the game because its not kosher and therefore unclean
We'd have 271 choicees for various stages of transgender identification during charachter creation
We'd have no medicine or drugs because the amish don't believe in it
We'd have no alcohol because people are against it
the list goes on and on.

When you make a game you cater to the masses, not to .3% of the population. I've said this before and i'll say it again. If your not secure enough with who you are to play a charachter in a video game then the problem is not with the game but with you.
Mirex Jr. 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:10 
Just in case all of you didn't realize it, FO is just a game
Brian9824 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:13 
引用自 paolmir
Just in case all of you didn't realize it, FO is just a game

Apparently for some its a way of life... (literally)
cowpylon 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:16 
m-muh gender representation!

This is why people hate ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and social justice by the way.

Also your son is the villain and you have choose between killing him and nuking the commonwealth.
Mirex Jr. 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:17 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 paolmir
Just in case all of you didn't realize it, FO is just a game

Apparently for some its a way of life... (literally)
Funny world we live in.
Snake Vargas 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:17 
引用自 Agent Cooper
Are we still -forced- to choose between "male" or "female" gender during character creation? Can we avoid making that option?
For example, can we create character with feminine body configuration, but at the same time with "male" voice? Or is it all locked to that one binary choice, so player can only be "male" or "female" with all the standard characteristics and norms that are connected to one of those classifications?

This might seem petty or insignificant to some, but for me this signifies a choice between buying or not buying. I have no intentions to pay for something that will then proceed to force feed me assortment of social norms different to my own. Not anymore.
HA HA HA Life must be very hard for you. So sad too bad.
Snake Vargas 2015 年 11 月 6 日 上午 6:21 
引用自 Agent Cooper
引用自 brian9824
Yes Male/Female only

Also to all the people that go oh well i'm (Gay, Transgender, Etc) and I want to play as xxxx, who cares. I'm all for equal rights which means no special treatment for anyone.

Your playing as a charachter in a video game, not re-creating yourself.

People don't complain because Lara Croft and Samus are female
People don't complain demaning we have the option to make Link or Mario into a Female

You play a role in a game, and if that offends you then you have more serious problems in your life to worry about then what a freaking charachter looks like in a video game.
Difference is that this is a Role Playing Game with free character creation, and not a game with predefined main character. And yet, it insists on limiting the player in a way that, for some of us, can limit ability for role playing and immersion (at best) and serve as an offense (at worst).
I suppose some people will complain that they can't create a tomato plant for their character . The world (esp, the gaming world) is truly filled with odd ducks.
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