Gun Range Question

[Juvante]

I can't find this anywhere but what does the Range Stat EXACTLY mean on the weapon? Feet, yards, meters? What does it represent? How do you measure the distance in game?

I want to know so I can get in the perfect optimal range for my weapons and not suffer falloff. What does the number really mean? Shotgun 23 range, assault rifle 150 range?

I play the game on survival and my damage is inconsistent because I don't know what range I should be shooting at. It makes a huge difference.

All the wiki's just list the stat and don't explain it.

[mrmike_49]

my guess is yards

[Mansen]

Units most likely - The engine's own way of measuring distance and size of anything in the world.

[Vardis]

It represents units of distance. Since you can't actually measure this in game, as far as I know, the label applied to the unit doesn't really matter, does it?

What you might want to do is use VATS to see how distance affects the damage of whatever weapon you have, and use that as a guideline as to how close you need to be to not suffer damage penalties due to range.

[Gracey Face]

As far as I can gather, they are gamebryo/CE G.U.s, or game units, which there is roughly 21 per foot.


As for thier mechanical function in game, you do 100% damage out to the range of your weapon, from 1-2x the range of your weapon you scale from 100-50% damage, and then 2x or beyond you do 50%.

Additionally some weapons cease to hit beyond 2-3 times thier range (flamer notably).



That being said, while G.U.s are the unit the engine uses, the weapon stat being represented in GU makes the weapons ranges seem too short, but they are also obviously not in any easy to figure measure like feet/metres.


Additionally, the reason for your inconsistant damage is more likely to be the DR system than anything. The way it works is bollocks and unintuitive.

[mrmike_49]

that can NOT be right, 21 "units" per foot,and my sniper rifle has a range of 211 "units" which would translate to ~ 10 feet!! Reverse it gives 21 feet per units and a range of 4,400 ft, seems really optimistic.

[fluxtorrent]

All distances in Fallout are measured in molerats lengths, the common turn of phrase for a straight line is " as the molerats tunnels." True story for reals.

So your rifle can fire 211 molerats far

[mrmike_49]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

All distances in Fallout are measured in molerats lengths, the common turn of phrase for a straight line is " as the molerats tunnels." True story for reals.

So your rifle can fire 211 molerats far

that would be about 300 yards then, mediocre sniper rifle range

[fluxtorrent]

View range is only a few molerats farther on max XD

[Kharybidian]

I sure its meters as pretty much everywhere else apart from US its the standard measurement oh and i spose the UK. the range that you get the quest objective distance starts at 100 which is in metres as in yards thats a hell of a lot closer and the distance is definatley closer to a 100 metre sprint than a 100 yards which comes out a bout 30 metres more or less i dont know the exact conversion but a yard is about a ruler length which is about 30 cm when i went to school 100 yards is 33 metres by that so the gun ranges is in meters aswell.

[mrmike_49]

Originally posted by Kharybidian:

I sure its meters as pretty much everywhere else apart from US its the standard measurement oh and i spose the UK. the range that you get the quest objective distance starts at 100 which is in metres as in yards thats a hell of a lot closer and the distance is definatley closer to a 100 metre sprint than a 100 yards which comes out a bout 30 metres more or less i dont know the exact conversion but a yard is about a ruler length which is about 30 cm when i went to school 100 yards is 33 metres by that so the gun ranges is in meters aswell.

since game was produced in USA, it is likely Yards,

fyi: a yard is 36 inches (3 FEET), a meter is 39.37 inches, so a meter is ~ 9% longer than a yard,
you're confusing FEET with YARDS

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by mrmike_49:

that can NOT be right, 21 "units" per foot,and my sniper rifle has a range of 211 "units" which would translate to ~ 10 feet!! Reverse it gives 21 feet per units and a range of 4,400 ft, seems really optimistic.

It might not seem right, but try using the flamer. Particularily the vapourisation flamer. It has a range of 4 according to the weapons stats, and only hits enemies less than 1 foot away from you, so it cant be metres, yards or feet either.

It might be that the number is just a load of bollocks and doesnt mean anything.

[Juvante]

Originally posted by Useless!:

Originally posted by mrmike_49:

that can NOT be right, 21 "units" per foot,and my sniper rifle has a range of 211 "units" which would translate to ~ 10 feet!! Reverse it gives 21 feet per units and a range of 4,400 ft, seems really optimistic.

It might not seem right, but try using the flamer. Particularily the vapourisation flamer. It has a range of 4 according to the weapons stats, and only hits enemies less than 1 foot away from you, so it cant be metres, yards or feet either.

It might be that the number is just a load of bollocks and doesnt mean anything.

Jesus, that's confusing. People don't know if its yards, feet, meters or whatever. Wish Bethesda could have just laid it out clear as crystal. Sigh, oh well.

Yea I played around with vats to see the health bar sway up and down so I could find the sweet spot, but I wish there was a way I could approximate the distance, *shrugs*. Just would have been nice to know. Thanks for the responses.

How hard would it have been to put distance in vats beside resistances, etc as you're scanning the target?

[The_Pastmaster]

Originally posted by Juvantei:

Originally posted by Useless!:

It might not seem right, but try using the flamer. Particularily the vapourisation flamer. It has a range of 4 according to the weapons stats, and only hits enemies less than 1 foot away from you, so it cant be metres, yards or feet either.

It might be that the number is just a load of bollocks and doesnt mean anything.

Jesus, that's confusing. People don't know if its yards, feet, meters or whatever. Wish Bethesda could have just laid it out clear as crystal. Sigh, oh well.

1. Now you know how we had it in the 80's and 90's. :P
2. Some crystals are very foggy. ;P

[davidtriune]

i know thread is dead, but for googlers, I want to add:

beautiful man seems correct on 200 units = 10 ft, look at
https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Unit
256 units = 12 ft.

Also the "range" seems to refer to effective range (which exists, see wikipedia), cuz obviously a sniper can hit further than 10 ft. There's a value "out of range multiplier", often 0.5, which seems to multiply the damage by that amount once it gets out of range. (i always wondered why my pistols can't do jack damage unless it's at point blank). hope this helps.

I'm making a mod myself for guns and all this discussion has been helpful.

edit: on further investigation, I found "min range" and "max range" in the creation kit (https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Weapons#Range). These refer to how far the enemy will distance themselves from you before they stay put while shooting, and maximum effective range of the weapon, respectively. Both ranges are 256 for all weapons by default, changed by weapon mods to be more or less. When you remove all the mods, I found this 256 actually translates to 11 in game when looking at weapon stats, which is curious because it is close to 12, as in 256 units = 12 ft. It might have been rounded down, with 256 slightly less than 12ft. So the number you see in game could be in ft, while the number in creation kit could be in units.

[Mansen]

Originally posted by davidtriune:

i know thread is dead

Then don't necropost - It's that easy.