drop the 50's - 60's theme

[Stanley]

Anyone else finds that Bethesda over exaggerates and overuses the theme?

Black isle's theme was visually subtle, mostly cars and drawings. Tactics was even more modern and more believable.

Then came Bethesda with f3 and overblown this 50's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ crap theme which is ugly as ♥♥♥♥, unimpressive and totally unimmersive.

Is their target audience grandpas and weirdos?

[Prolific Avocado]

Its iconic for the fallout universe, they cannot change it. They do step away from it as much as they can as evident from almost every faction in the game and every other game, but the underlying remnents of the world will always be the same.

[Killzone]

Its not '50s' culture, its based on our (american) 1950's at its core, but in their world its 2070's culture.

I really don't understand whats hard to grasp about this.

[mighty]

Originally posted by Stanley:

Anyone else finds that Bethesda over exaggerates and overuses the theme?

Black isle's theme was visually subtle, mostly cars and drawings. Tactics was even more modern and more believable.

Then came Bethesda with f3 and overblown this 50's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ crap theme which is ugly as ♥♥♥♥, unimpressive and totally unimmersive.

Is their target audience grandpas and weirdos?

What kind of music would you suggest then?
techno ? gangster rap ? trance ? lady gaga ? your weekly random fav. boygroup ?
how do you rate the chance that the fallout fans enjoy your music as much as you do?

What music would fit better in the 50s(pre war) than the 50s music ?
if you dont like it, go into the audio options, move the music bar to 0 and listen to whatever you want to destroy the games atmosphere.

[Gromov]

Originally posted by insano:

Originally posted by Gromov:

No.

Now the mandatory follow-up Question:

Anyone else finds that useless trolls should be permabanned?

Why is it a troll post? It is a valid point.

Look how quickly things like fashion changed just into the 60s and 70s. There is no way that the 50s asthetic would still be around after 100+ years.

Why not?

Firstly, it is Fallout theme. Fallout realm. It has been stated several times over that it does not represent real life.

Secondly, for example the Pyramids are all the rage still after thousands of years.

[Defektiv]

Originally posted by =EGC= _Nite_:

Yea if humans were in storage for 200 years, and the game world was set in 2077 then the 1950's doesn't even fit.

If the world was a wasteland where most any settlement was wiped out before it could start, its not unreasonable to think the only cultural remnants that remain are those that remain from the last culture that existed. It's not like they rebuilt universities, museums and libraries. It was hundreds of years of civil unrest. Look at a lot of places in the Middle East. It wasn't that long ago they had a modern civilization with rich cultures. Decades after the fall and what are the things people in the desert use to identify themselves now? Whatever is left to salvage from before.. for as long as they can survive. Anyone trying to create a new anything is squashed out.

Also, the theme doesn't define the year in the game. The Great War in Fallout was on October 23, 2077. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Great_War

[Brigandine]

Originally posted by insano:

The bombs dropped over a hundred years after the 50s, ofcourse there should be less of the 50s and 60s in the game. Things would have changed. Yes it is a part of the world but it shouldn't be such a huge defining factor.

The completely overblown 50s setting is probably one of the worst parts of the art style and most nonsensical part of the entire series.

The Fallout games take place in a divergent universe. It ran parallel to "our" universe until just after the second world war. From there it followed its own unique path -- one where the micro-processor was never invented -- and that the social norms and aethestics are very heavily influenced of a 1950's americana perception.

So it is irrelevant if the bombs dropped in the 60's, or 2077, as the technology, societal norms and aethestics have been following the same path for almost a hundred years.

[Spool]

Originally posted by Killzone:

Its not '50s' culture, its based on our (american) 1950's at its core, but in their world its 2070's culture.

I really don't understand whats hard to grasp about this.

The fact the the universe is identical until the 1950s. The timeline doesn't diverge until after that. Why would the culture remain the same for over 100 years?

Originally posted by Akaebeel:

The Fallout games take place in a divergent universe. It ran parallel to "our" universe until just after the second world war. From there it followed its own unique path -- one where the micro-processor was never invented -- and that the social norms and aethestics are very heavily influenced of a 1950's americana perception.

So it is irrelevant if the bombs dropped in the 60's, or 2077, as the technology, societal norms and aethestics have been following the same path for almost a hundred years.

The aethestics at the very least would have changed. Humans can't be that stagnant.

[DessIntress]

Originally posted by Stanley:

yes but they keep pushing a colourful 50s dystopia. I want a dark universe damn it, the world was destroyed by nukes.

The sun Is shining even if the world goes down...it is called universe....


And its 200 years l8r, look at our nuclear history, even Tschernobyl is green and with life now. And as long as there is atmosphere, there can be a bright blue sky

[JDCollie]

Originally posted by Killzone:

Its not '50s' culture, its based on our (american) 1950's at its core, but in their world its 2070's culture.

I really don't understand whats hard to grasp about this.

I agree. Fallout is based in a alternate timeline where the transistor was never invented, which in turn prevented the microchip revolution and sent humanity's technological and social developement down a completely different path.

So none of the "more modern" weapons people want in the game ever even existed in the Fallout universe. But you know, if you dislike continuity and stuff, then go ahead and axe the core lore point of the series.

[Emily Mewens]

Originally posted by insano:

Originally posted by Killzone:

Its not '50s' culture, its based on our (american) 1950's at its core, but in their world its 2070's culture.

I really don't understand whats hard to grasp about this.

The fact the the universe is identical until the 1950s. The timeline doesn't diverge until after that. Why would the culture remain the same for over 100 years?

they never talk about the 100 years between the 50s to 2070s. its entirely possible that the culture changed and just flipped back to the 50s culture about 100 years later.

[Killzone]

Whos to say our very own culture wont return to 50's americana style by 2070?

Originally posted by insano:

Originally posted by Killzone:

Its not '50s' culture, its based on our (american) 1950's at its core, but in their world its 2070's culture.

I really don't understand whats hard to grasp about this.

The fact the the universe is identical until the 1950s. The timeline doesn't diverge until after that. Why would the culture remain the same for over 100 years?

Originally posted by Akaebeel:

The Fallout games take place in a divergent universe. It ran parallel to "our" universe until just after the second world war. From there it followed its own unique path -- one where the micro-processor was never invented -- and that the social norms and aethestics are very heavily influenced of a 1950's americana perception.

So it is irrelevant if the bombs dropped in the 60's, or 2077, as the technology, societal norms and aethestics have been following the same path for almost a hundred years.

The aethestics at the very least would have changed. Humans can't be that stagnant.

[john bluntington]

NO. STOP. THERE. THE REASON ITS OVERDONE. IS BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE WORLD WAS LIKE AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHH..

Honestly look at the lore. The world came to a cultural standstill, (50s-60s) but technology kept expanding in the wake of the cold war.

[Spool]

Possible yes, but not believable in the way that they do it. Seems more like Black Isle didn't think the setting through. Then again Black Isle can do no wrong.

[Assburster]

They could dial back the theme back a bit.

The 3d games act like time just stopped for 120 years and nothing changed ever except nuclear powered replacements of 50s things (except power armor and heavy weapons out of WH40k because its cooler than shooting alien blasters in a baby blue armor modeled after something from Lost in Space), bombs dropped, and after another 200 years, we've had zero shift in culture or ideals.

The Institute may be the only people who created anything new in this time span and all they could come up with was an identical replacement to the lousy creatures that ruined the world and need to go away for good. Ironic, yes. Intentionally funny? I doubt it.

In 300 years nobody made music or literature or rebelled against the themes and ideals of the people who ruined the world. The counter culture punk rock post apocalyptic theme never gets going. Raiders are bloodthirsty bad guys, the mohawk is how you can tell... Its less of a post apocalypse and more of a pre apocalypse where people got too lazy to pick up after themselves. Join the Atom Cats Daddy-o!

If every game is going to repeat the same tired and out of place things then lets just get some prequels going before the war so I can at least run people over and crash my nuclear powered car into a Red Rocket Station before heading to the high school dance. Daddy-o.

[Defektiv]

Originally posted by Killzone:

Whos to say our very own culture wont return to 50's americana style by 2070?

Good point. The most recent generation of hipsters just about dug the 80s up out of the prison we finally buried it in. It was a pretty scary time for those of us that went through them, culturally.