So Piper is a relative of your FO3 character?

[ajt312]

This is probably more speculation then spoiler. And honestly it didn't click with me until I realized that McReady is the annoying Little Lamplight kid from FO3. But Piper mentions having an Uncle named James from the DC Capital area. Which would likely make her and Nat younger cousins to your FO3 character would it not? And going by date and comparative ages with MaCready, likely born after Vault 101 was opened up? (and yes it might simply be coincidence. But Bethesda generally doesn't do that with names.)

[Darth Cannabis]

Not necessarily. Your dad, was not the only James, in Fallout 3.

There is James Hargrave from Rivet City to consider as well.

[Mook]

Well, I doubt when they wrote this line they wernt thinking of that correct?

[DA REEL NANCY BOI]

Fallout 4 takes place a decade after the events of 3 (2277) so Nat could conceivably have been related to James' child in some way. Piper, though? Doubtful.. if she said James was her "Uncle" he would have to be the brother of her father/mother, but there's never any indication in 3 that James or his wife whose name I've forgotten had any (living) relatives, save for the Wanderer themselves.

[Mook]

Originally posted by DEAD The Real Nancy Boy:

Fallout 4 takes place a decade after the events of 3 (2277) so Nat could conceivably have been related to James' child in some way. Piper, though? Doubtful.. if she said James was her "Uncle" he would have to be the brother of her father/mother, but there's never any indication in 3 that James or his wife whose name I've forgotten had any (living) relatives, save for the Wanderer themselves.

What?

That's the point of it being theory not a fact.

If she had an uncle named James from DC and a Bethesda Dev wrote that I am sure there is a connection.

If you start saying you never heard of other relatives than you can say things like how do you know Nat is related to Piper for a fact? How do you know the lone wanderer isn't a only child? How do you know James wasn't secretly gay for ghouls

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by DEAD The Real Nancy Boy:

Fallout 4 takes place a decade after the events of 3 (2277) so Nat could conceivably have been related to James' child in some way. Piper, though? Doubtful.. if she said James was her "Uncle" he would have to be the brother of her father/mother, but there's never any indication in 3 that James or his wife whose name I've forgotten had any (living) relatives, save for the Wanderer themselves.

Plus they'd have to forget that james spent over 19 years in the vault *plus* another 10 before FO4's 'present day'. So she'd be livnig in Boston and somehow the family would think it important for her to know about an 'Uncle james' living in the CW that no-one had seen for a couple of decades.

It'd be a stretch to imagine that she'd even remember *hearing* about a guy she'd never met and no one had seen for years.

But, then again, this is Bethesda so I bet that this James *is* the LW's father and that Piper is related. Pagliorulo probably thought it'd be a 'neat easter eggs for observant fans' rather than the 'WTF, do you even read the stuff *you've written yourself*? that it is.

[Mook]

Also remember that Bethesda rep basically said lore and realism doesn't matter. Just like the kid in the fridge thing. It went against lore and also some events in fallout 4 conflict with fallout 2

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by DEAD The Real Nancy Boy:

Fallout 4 takes place a decade after the events of 3 (2277) so Nat could conceivably have been related to James' child in some way. Piper, though? Doubtful.. if she said James was her "Uncle" he would have to be the brother of her father/mother, but there's never any indication in 3 that James or his wife whose name I've forgotten had any (living) relatives, save for the Wanderer themselves.

You can be a younger uncle fairly easy. If James Hargroves mom, had a child young in age (say 14-18), then had James at around 30, then it is very easy for his older sister to have a child, that would be his nephew, while being comarable in age. A few year more more differnce,(say her child also has a child early in life, which is quite possible in a post apocolytic world with limited option, thus things revertign to a more medieval standars as far as child bearing age and adulthood), and he is actually younger than his niece.

It is quite possible, and I' sure there are a few out there that can testify to actualy being young aunts/uncles.

Its actually much more possible than a person we know to have died in 3, while having no time outside the vault to engage in further relationships. At he very least, it is just as likely as your Dad in 3 having any unremarked upon relatives.

I doubt James would have been set on getting to vault for son's sake, if he had the option of family as well.

Of course just as likely as either known James, that it is just an unrelated person we never actually met, who happens to live in the wasteland. Just one of the many random nameless hunters, or scavengers. In fact upon further thought, (this is only opinion of odds), 20% its relative, 30% its the Rivet City kid, and about 50% chance its some until now, nameless wasteland douche.

[Dyne]

Being sure about a connection just because you see two completely unrelated things is a bit insane.

[Shad]

Originally posted by Dyne:

Being sure about a connection just because you see two completely unrelated things is a bit insane.

I have to agree with this.

[Mook]

Originally posted by Dyne:

Being sure about a connection just because you see two completely unrelated things is a bit insane.

Don't you think it's too much of a coincidence? A Bethesda employed person wrote that knowing there is also a James main character in DC in the previous game.

[CoLS Firestar]

http://names.mongabay.com/male_names.htm
No, it's not "too much of a coincidence" It's the most common name in the US. There were multiple people named "James" in FO3...

[Mook]

Originally posted by CoLS Firestar:

http://names.mongabay.com/male_names.htm
No, it's not "too much of a coincidence" It's the most common name in the US. There were multiple people named "James" in FO3...

Well that list is out of date, but anyway.

Why even have the line if it wasnt connected. They had to have thought about it when they wrote it correct? Unless they forgot the name of the first person you see when you start the game.

There is still a possiblity it is true, maybe even more than not because of what I just said.

[ajt312]

Originally posted by DEAD The Real Nancy Boy:

Fallout 4 takes place a decade after the events of 3 (2277) so Nat could conceivably have been related to James' child in some way. Piper, though? Doubtful.. if she said James was her "Uncle" he would have to be the brother of her father/mother, but there's never any indication in 3 that James or his wife whose name I've forgotten had any (living) relatives, save for the Wanderer themselves.

Based on the relative ages of Piper and Nat they could also just as easily have been Jame's kids from the years he was outside the Vault. Your player characters younger half sisters. (Which kind of adds that traditional Bethesda level of oddly creepy and awkward yet not actually wrong, that was seemingly missing from Piper as a "relationship" character.)

[gNarNar]

I am honestly dumbfounded how stupid you all are. she says UNCLE JAMES. why you are saying james is pipers father after she said UNCLE JAMES in DC and her even tells you her father was killed.

Uncle doesnt mean father.

THIS means that james had a brother, That brother had childern The childern james brother had were nat and piper. Making james their UNCLE and the lone wonderer their COUSIN not SIBLING. holy crap. Also let me remind you that in the fallout world no one has any contact with family, the wasteland is a harsh place and useless you had stronge ties to a family member and had resoucres when they died or even if they died the news would never get to you unless of course you were as i said connected to them for people to know to deliver the news to you or you found it out yourself, and considering its her UNCLE its a distance reletive to her meaning she would not of known her UNCLE james has been killed, She doesnt even know her own mother.

[Mook]

Originally posted by gNarNar:

I am honestly dumbfounded how stupid you all are. she says UNCLE JAMES. why you are saying james is pipers father after she said UNCLE JAMES in DC and her even tells you her father was killed.

Uncle doesnt mean father.

THIS means that james had a brother, That brother had childern The childern james brother had were nat and piper. Making james their UNCLE and the lone wonderer their COUSIN not SIBLING. holy crap. Also let me remind you that in the fallout world no one has any contact with family, the wasteland is a harsh place and useless you had stronge ties to a family member and had resoucres when they died or even if they died the news would never get to you unless of course you were as i said connected to them for people to know to deliver the news to you or you found it out yourself, and considering its her UNCLE its a distance reletive to her meaning she would not of known her UNCLE james has been killed, She doesnt even know her own mother.

Did someone say his kids?

Most of us knew she said uncle, whoever said kids is an idiot