Severe framedrops in specific locations

[Smürggel]

This is an issue that I've had since I started playing the game. I'm getting really bad framedrops (from 60 to under 30, extremely noticable and annoying) in some specific locations where there sometimes doesn't appear to be any reason for why this is happening. An example is outside the USS Constitution - it's original location was really bad and it dropped to like 20, and on it's later location on top of the skyscraper it's completely unplayable and stays around approximately sub 10 FPS, which is ridiculous. There are also other places where the framerate drops, and I'll try to update this if I encounter them, since I've forgot about most of them.

EDIT:

Based on the comments and my own experience it seems to be related to lighting and shadows, but the framedrops appear to be pretty random. Sometimes when a lot of lighting and shadows are rendered, it runs smoothly, but when sometimes my performance drops heavily.
It's also related to draw distance: the performance is horrible when I'm on top of high buildings.

Other locations I come to think of:

Outside Corvega Assembly Plant. The framerate dropped down to something lower than 30. The framerate lower the higher up I got in the plant, but even close to the ground it was pretty bad.

On top of the Bunker Hill Obelisk. Sub 30 FPS. Probably related to draw distance.

I sometimes got framedrops close to the Faneuil Hall and The Shamrock Taphouse (somewhere in that area).

[-//Morphotet//-]

Yea it's jsut something there not going to fix personally I have 120 hours in the game now and put up with it all the way to taht point till I realized bethesda doesn't care about optimizing the whole game when they release the tools we can do that for them. If you really need to play this game till then I suggest playing medium settings doenst look much diffrent anyway except the lighting. Otherwise just do what a lot of people are doing and wait till the tools we need are released to fix there broken contentless game ourselves.

[cdarklock]

It's the lighting and shadows, which are only handled well by recent high-end Nvidia cards with the latest drivers. It looks fantastic, but it's a marketing ploy to get you buying a new Nvidia card every one to two years. If you don't want to, then you have to tweak the settings in the INI file - they don't want it easy. They want buying a new video card to be easier.

And Bethesda did, actually, improve Corvega significantly in the last patch. There's a market window here where right after the game is released, people will go "well crap" and buy new video cards to handle it. Once it's well-known how to reconfigure the game for better performance on older and less-capable cards, that window closes, and everyone who was going to buy a new card has already bought one. At that point, the goal of "require high-end video card" is no longer of value, and Bethesda is better off patching the problem areas to work on older cards.

That window's only four to six weeks, really - eight at the outside - so patches should start actually improving performance in the next month or so.

[Bobby Digital™]

the only thing that will fix it is a 4790k, not even a crazy strong gpu will fix it.

[=CrimsoN=]

Originally posted by cdarklock:

It's the lighting and shadows, which are only handled well by recent high-end Nvidia cards with the latest drivers.

I have 2 GTX 970s (No Titan, but still certainly high end) and still have problems with the lighting and shadows.

Worse still is that a single one of the 970s isnt even at maximum usage when it happens (stays at about 60% most of the time). So its not so much the GPU as it is just being completely unoptimized shadows and lighting.




OP have you tried turning down the shadows and god rays. Also I was informed the latest beta patch increases FPS. Mine increased by about 10-15 frames. So its certainly worth it, if you dont mind the potential of losing your saved game since its a beta patch.

[Crimsomrider]

Put Shadow Distance to Medium - Turn Godrays OFF.

The main performance issue is Shadow Distance and the places you mentioned are the exact same places I used to have 20-30 FPS drops. Turning off the options I mentioned keeps 60FPS stable at any place. I can even play with Godrays on ULTRA without any FPS drop, but shadow distance is just a bomb for FPS.

[Smürggel]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital:

the only thing that will fix it is a 4790k, not even a crazy strong gpu will fix it.

Problem is, I have one and it's not fixed.

[Smürggel]

Originally posted by ♥Nibbles♥:

Originally posted by cdarklock:

It's the lighting and shadows, which are only handled well by recent high-end Nvidia cards with the latest drivers.

I have 2 GTX 970s (No Titan, but still certainly high end) and still have problems with the lighting and shadows.

Worse still is that a single one of the 970s isnt even at maximum usage when it happens (stays at about 60% most of the time). So its not so much the GPU as it is just being completely unoptimized shadows and lighting.




OP have you tried turning down the shadows and god rays. Also I was informed the latest beta patch increases FPS. Mine increased by about 10-15 frames. So its certainly worth it, if you dont mind the potential of losing your saved game since its a beta patch.

I have tried lowering the options, and the performance got better. It's still not flawless, but before that the FPS sometimes dropped to under 30 when I saw a major light source.
I haven't tried the beta patch. Losing my savefiles would be a nightmare so I don't think I dare to try. ;)

[Bobby Digital™]

i had a gtx 970 and an i7 920, when i upgraded to a good mobo and a 4790k, the problem went away. i get vsynced (through nvidia control panel) 60 fps, no dips in diamond city and corvega now.

but it is still ridiculous, i don't understand why such powerfull pc parts are required for this game :(

[Smürggel]

Originally posted by Bobby Digital:

i had a gtx 970 and an i7 920, when i upgraded to a good mobo and a 4790k, the problem went away. i get vsynced (through nvidia control panel) 60 fps, no dips in diamond city and corvega now.

but it is still ridiculous, i don't understand why such powerfull pc parts are required for this game :(

I guess that the risk for any problems with the performance is lower with higher specs, but I have a 4790k and R9 290 and it's still really bad in the areas mentioned (and many other areas which I've forgotten about).

[JavaJack]

Originally posted by cdarklock:

It's the lighting and shadows, which are only handled well by recent high-end Nvidia cards with the latest drivers. It looks fantastic, but it's a marketing ploy to get you buying a new Nvidia card every one to two years. If you don't want to, then you have to tweak the settings in the INI file - they don't want it easy. They want buying a new video card to be easier.

And Bethesda did, actually, improve Corvega significantly in the last patch. There's a market window here where right after the game is released, people will go "well crap" and buy new video cards to handle it. Once it's well-known how to reconfigure the game for better performance on older and less-capable cards, that window closes, and everyone who was going to buy a new card has already bought one. At that point, the goal of "require high-end video card" is no longer of value, and Bethesda is better off patching the problem areas to work on older cards.

That window's only four to six weeks, really - eight at the outside - so patches should start actually improving performance in the next month or so.

Well, this is the first time I've heard this one, and it definately seems true. Everyone is talking about lowering settings that are "optimized" for Nvidia cards, and I have seen a bunch of people say they are building a new PC around the game, thus Nvidia. Makes sense to me.

[cdarklock]

Originally posted by BravoEcho:

Well, this is the first time I've heard this one, and it definately seems true. Everyone is talking about lowering settings that are "optimized" for Nvidia cards, and I have seen a bunch of people say they are building a new PC around the game, thus Nvidia. Makes sense to me.

This has been going on since the days of Quake. Anyone else buy a Canopus to up their fps back then? ;)

[PocketYoda]

Buy a Core i5 2500 3.3ghz, i've had no drops anywhere in this game.

[Smürggel]

Originally posted by cdarklock:

Originally posted by BravoEcho:

Well, this is the first time I've heard this one, and it definately seems true. Everyone is talking about lowering settings that are "optimized" for Nvidia cards, and I have seen a bunch of people say they are building a new PC around the game, thus Nvidia. Makes sense to me.

This has been going on since the days of Quake. Anyone else buy a Canopus to up their fps back then? ;)

If all this sh*t is true, then it's the main reason why I can sympathize with the so-called "console peasants". PC is still better but... f*ck all the companies whom pull this b*llsh*t on us.

[Thorny]

I still have a Canopus Pure3d in the box with everything....lol. Flashback. I hear people are paying a lot for them these days.

[cdarklock]

Originally posted by Smürggel:

If all this sh*t is true, then it's the main reason why I can sympathize with the so-called "console peasants". PC is still better but... f*ck all the companies whom pull this b*llsh*t on us.

The console manufacturers are no different. They want you to buy a new console every so often, or at the very least upgrade it. So they go to game companies and say "Hey, you know that new game you're making? Could you make it exclusive to our new hardware?"

It's just basic economics and market forces. Nobody's immune.