T-60 power armor is major lore BS

[Glitshy]

You remember FO3, where the BoS only had T-45d power armor? And T-51b was a unique armor better than enclave armor? Well, that was lorewise BS.

Now, in FO4, Encalve PA (Advanced Power armor or X-01 Power armor, I'm glad they finally have a proper name for it) is actually the best, as it should be.
T-45 is outdated power armor and T-51 is not stupidly rare like in FO3.
But now we have another lore failure: The T-60 PA.
The game states that T-60 was the last PA before the bombs fell. Wasn't this T-51b in the previous games, in EVERY previous game? Nope, there was T-60, too, they say.
And I could be OK with that, as long as T-60 would be rare. But no, everyone is running around in T-60, the second best power armor in the whole game. The Atom Cats, which are basically just some sort of tuner gang, and the BoS from Washington DC.
Yep, the BoS from Washington DC. How exactly did they get the T-60?
In FO3 they only had T-45d! And this would have been another good way to implement the lore of T-60 power armor to the game. They could have said:
"T-60 is post-war modified T-45d power armor."
But no, they had to say, T-60 was around before the bombs fell and it somehow istn't even rare. Oh, and well done Bethesda for screwing up even your own lore by saying on one of the loading screens, that T-51 was the best power armor before the bombs fell.
Well done.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Mr.Hmm:

There are Aliens in the game.

Its totally Legit to Blame it on them :P

You know what? This is right, there is a war going on with the aliens and some kind of time vortex going on. The aliens lost 2 giant ships in Fallout Zeta and so far at least 2 smaller alien ships have crashed for example.

I dont like messy lore either but the idea that humans in a last ditch effort to save earth released some kind of uncontrolled time vortex is really cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJAaT13EMvA

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by Apples:

Remember in Fallout 1 how the Brotherhood was inventing new technology, and not just scavenging old discarded tech? There's your easy solution to the T61. Say it was an invention of the Eastern Brotherhood chapter.

If anyone here is good at modding my suggestion to you would be this: edit the loading screen text to say the T51b was being used in the days before the war, change the models the pre war soldiers are using to T51b, and have the T61 be exclusive to the Brotherhood in game.

Originally posted by Billy M.T.:

Remember when instead of a PA frame, all you needed was a Recon Armor underneath?

And when the Advanced Power Armor / Enclave Power Armor / X-01's description mentioned it's fusion core could keep going for 100 years nonstop, easily?

Or when it had NASA-levels of "human waste" recycling for long-term survival situations?

Or when it needed specialized lubricant gel applied weekly to even move?

You think Bethesda cares about Fallout lore? Every time they make a new game they have to snap it in half to accommodate a mechanic nobody asked for. I mean do you remember when nuclear bombs used to be devestating in this series? They used to leave irradiated craters and skeletal frames where metropolises used to stand. Going by the Fallout 76 trailers they can't even strip the leaves off trees anymore.

Yeah their approach to nukes has always been stupid and juvenile. Like something I'd expect from a Volition game. Nukes used to have meaning in Fallout 1 and 2. Now it's a stupid little gimmick to unlock sweet rare loot! Like really Howard? You make a game about people rising back up to reclaim the world after nuclear annihilation, and decide to make nukes an "end game" mechanic? How narratively tone deaf and insipid can you possibly get?

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Nuka Boy:

Originally posted by Apples:

Remember in Fallout 1 how the Brotherhood was inventing new technology, and not just scavenging old discarded tech? There's your easy solution to the T61. Say it was an invention of the Eastern Brotherhood chapter.

If anyone here is good at modding my suggestion to you would be this: edit the loading screen text to say the T51b was being used in the days before the war, change the models the pre war soldiers are using to T51b, and have the T61 be exclusive to the Brotherhood in game.



You think Bethesda cares about Fallout lore? Every time they make a new game they have to snap it in half to accommodate a mechanic nobody asked for. I mean do you remember when nuclear bombs used to be devestating in this series? They used to leave irradiated craters and skeletal frames where metropolises used to stand. Going by the Fallout 76 trailers they can't even strip the leaves off trees anymore.

Yeah their approach to nukes has always been stupid and juvenile. Liek something I'd expect from a Volition game. Nukes used to have meaning in Fallout 1 and 2. Now it's a stupid little gimmick to unlock sweet rare loot! Like really Howard? You make a game about people rising back up to reclaim the world after nuclear annihilation, and decide to make nukes an "end game" mechanic? How narratively tone deaf and insipid can you possibly get?

I second that "really?"

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by Nuka Boy:

Yeah their approach to nukes has always been stupid and juvenile. Like something I'd expect from a Volition game. Nukes used to have meaning in Fallout 1 and 2. Now it's a stupid little gimmick to unlock sweet rare loot! Like really Howard? You make a game about people rising back up to reclaim the world after nuclear annihilation, and decide to make nukes an "end game" mechanic? How narratively tone deaf and insipid can you possibly get?

Swing and a miss.

Well, better luck next time I guess.

[Moon Rabbit]

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by Nuka Boy:

Well, better luck next time I guess.

Just re-read it. I was talking about Fallout 76; not the ending of Fallout 4. Do you not think it's a bit ridiculous that the closer we get to the Great War the weaker the nukes become?

Oh I apologize. I thought you wwre talking about my post being a miss. I misunderstood. Yeah it's weird. Nukes have lost all of their emotional and psychological impact. Back in FO1 and 2 nuclear options were a big deal and came at a cost. Fast forward to the present, and they are just magic toys that make special loot areas appear and then the damage goes away. Like in Fallout 4, the bomb that hits during the prologue, is massive. Apparently now, they just make a patch of end game content.

It's really sad, that Bethesda has such a loose grasp on the moral issues, philosophies, and spirit of the series.

[NO ONE BESTS AN ORC!]

I came from the future.
There's one more to the list:
T-65 Power Armor

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by HOPPER 1:

I came from the future.
There's one more to the list:
T-65 Power Armor

That one looks as if a Super Mutant designed it.

[fluxtorrent]

EXCAVATOR ARMOR FOR LIFE!

[Hollen]

dude its bethesda, what else do you expect?

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by HollenHund:

dude its bethesda, what else do you expect?

Yea and according to them Jet is a pre war drug now apparently.