Persuade Mama Murphy [Question Help Please]

[CruX]

Quick Information:

- I haven't built her chair yet, nor have I been given the option to.. This is probably due to the fact that I have not killed the raiders in the city/at power plant with regard to the quest I got from the minute man guy.. To gain that new settlement.. I recall being able to build it after that.

Not sure if the above has any baring on my question below..

Edit: I recall before.. When her chair was made.. In the attempt to persuade her it would say codsworth likes this etc.. But when i do it now i don't see that notification.. perhaps cause she does not have a chair yet.. ?? Anywho..
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QUESTION: [Need Help With This]

- I am trying to persuade her to stop using drugs/chems.. I failed several times earlier on when trying to convince her to stop with lower charisma.. I have since put on some clothers etc.. and charisma is 9 with luck of 5..

What does it take to persuade her to stop? And if I failed past attempts will this prevent me from persuading her? Cause the option on the dialog wheel is still available.. It is just greyed out.

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I hope someone can answer the above question.. Someone who has failed persuading her, and then achieved success in persuading her after the fact. Thanks!

[Serrel]

Try taking some chems to raise it further. On my second play through I started with 5 charisma and use a +2 hat and red dress for +2 and I passed it first time, I had built her chair and I think it does trigger after that mission you mentioned.

[CruX]

Thank you for your response.

Question: Does it matter if i've failed past attempts? Or will i still be able to have success? For as said above.. It still shows on the wheel and is clickable.. It is just greyed out from past attempt.

[CruX]

9 charisma with 1 star in lady killer.. I can't win the persuade.. is it because i failed before? You have to win it the first time or it won't work?

[Vardis]

Codsworth just likes it when you build stuff. You get the option to build a chair after giving her the first chem (Jet).

Greyed out options just mean you can go through that dialog again to see what was said, not give you another chance at something. It's like when you fail or succeed a "more money" choice - when it still appears as an option but is greyed out and not yellow/orange/red, it's no longer a persuasion check, just normal dialog.

[CruX]

Oh, so there is no chance to persuade her off the chems anymore.. ♥♥♥♥♥♥..

I still have the intimidate option.. I'm guessing i loose favor rather then gain it by doing that. Damn..

[Vardis]

Eh, go for the intimidate. Codsworth will get over it. He likes it when you build stuff, but loves it when you mod your armor and weapons.

[BLÀde]

just keep giving her chems until she asks for pyscho do not give it to her she will die. once she asks for pyscho now is the time to tell her to stop it will be a lot easier at this point. i only had 4 CH and was able to convince her. if your having trouble wear a clean suit and patrol glasses or clothes that give you CH before you try.

[Spocks Toupee]

Will doing this get her to SHUT UP and stop saying "You're tied to this place" whenever I accidentally walk too near her, or make eye contact with her?

[BLÀde]

yes it will she gets out of the chair when she stops (or falls out if it if she OD) :P

[CruX]

Originally posted by BLÀde:

just keep giving her chems until she asks for pyscho do not give it to her she will die. once she asks for pyscho now is the time to tell her to stop it will be a lot easier at this point. i only had 4 CH and was able to convince her. if your having trouble wear a clean suit and patrol glasses or clothes that give you CH before you try.

I failed an attempt early in play with regard to persuade. So I cannot persuade her off the chems.. As vardis said above.. It is greyed out.. Still clickable in the interest of dialog.. But it is impossible to persuade her to stop now.. Only intimidate is available, in that, it is not greyed out.

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Thanks again for the explanation vardis! Also, the tips :)

[BLÀde]

well you have no choice but to ignore the quest than if you give her the psycho she will die. and always save before talking to npcs :P

[CruX]

Yeah.. I wish i'd known or I would of saved.

[Cheddalan]

I'm from the future, and Preston and Codsworth actually still like it even when you threaten her.

[Venrez]

Given your opinion may vary, quick-saving is the best way to make sure you pass any sort of dialogue skill-check.

Even mid conversation before you select your choice, just press F5 to quicksave, and make your choice. If it fails, you just press F9 and it'll load right back and you can try again.

Depending on your skill levels (like Charisma) it may take a few attempts, but eventually it will work. Even with very low Charisma. Behind the scenes it is just a % dice roll, except for some very specific situations it is a hard skill check.

I imagine some are. But most are not. I've not done any research on this, but repeatedly quick-saving and loading has solved every single dialogue choice in every single encounter Ive had.

Or in my case, being a completionist, I do it just because I like to hear the character responses to each line of dialogue, whether or not its actually a quest related choice or anything.

Which does impress me, to some extent. Some lines are recycled regardless of your dialogue choice, but a lot of the time the character has specifically voiced lines for that specific option you make. Over the course of Fallout 4 that is a LOT of dialogue to have recorded for the game.

[geomodelrailroader]

Here is how to trade with her and how to do the quest Power of the Sight correctly because some chems are dangerous.

Do Not Give Mama Murphy Chems During Jewel of the Commonwealth! Reason find Diamond City on your own and Piper, Nat, and The Mayor will point you to Nick’s. Giving Mama Murphy a Jet will place the next chem as Mantats which can give her a stroke do not give her that until you advance the quest.

Give Mama Murthy the Jet during Unlucky Valentine this will allow you to give Skinny the password if you don’t give Skinny the password he will shoot you and you will have to pass a speech check.

Give Mama Murthy the Mantats during Getting a Clue this will allow you to find Kellogg's keys.

Do Not Give her the Medex while you are inside Kellogg’s House or her next drug will be Buffout which will also give her a stroke.

Give her the Medex before you face Kellogg to get the achievement and the perk to lower his health or the Synths will kill you and Kellogg will hit you with his pistol.

Give her the Buffout after you talk to Vergil but before you go into the Institute to deactivate the courser. if you don’t you have to kill him and take his chip.

Do Not Giver Her Psycho! that stuff can kill her and you. You can quit before the Buffout or skip the Medex before you face Kellogg but do not give her Psycho that stuff is dangerous.