The best weapon dealing highest dmg per shot is... Shotgun???

[copperzinc]

After discarding weapons after weapon looking for one that allows me to kill multiple super mutant enforcers in close-medium range, looks like I've got a winner here... See pic in this link

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=563675878

As you can see, this shotgun is a typical combat shotgun with "explosive" legendary modifier.

The dmg stat 212 is very misleading here, just like the dmg for MIRV launcher, it's quite inaccurate.

This gun not only do normal damage a shotgun is expected to, but each lead ball it fires has 15 AoE dmg. Don't know the exact number of lead balls in this game, but previously it's somewhere between 12-20 in NV. At close quarter, the total expected damage you can inflict is (15 + 204) * 12 = 2,628 dmg per shot.

Impressive, right? Wait! There's more! Because this is a semi-auto explosive weapon, both "Rifleman" AND "Demonlition Expert" perks applies to the original impact damage, bringing 200%+200%=400% total damage bonus from those two perks alone!

The only downside with this weapon is that it can't be used in point-blank range: even with X-01 power armor a single shot point-blank got my health all the way down to 40% from full health...

There you have it, a weapon that has impact damage like Fat Man, ammo that's quite easy to find and cheap to purchase, and it can even be equipped with a silencer! At close-combat, you don't actually need to use VATS at all, since you can just easily aim at the floor next to the enemy.

Anyone got a better wapon than this? xD

[AbsynthMinded]

My boot to their head

[Mook]

Depends on your perks as well so yea :/

[Sempophai]

Even a vanilla combat shotgun, fully modded, works very nicely. I've been running one with a silencer, semi-stealthing,like the boston library, when all those muties were focused on the bot, I wiped out most of them from behind before they realised I was there.

It seems to consistantly hurt pretty much everything in close quarters, from deathclaws, to assaultbots.

[Greb]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561214148
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561360207
Nope. Unless you're talking POINT BLANK range. While forgetting things like recoil, damage fall off, and ignoring circumstances.

Though Shotguns have always been the most broken gun in Bethesdout. Remember the Double Barrel shotgun from Fallout 3? Was the best stealth weapon in the game. And also the best critical weapon in the game even next to the Backwater Rifle that could critically hit on every single shot. Gah.

Shotguns are top tier though. Next to the Gauss and Laser Musket + Explosive Gatling Laser.

[copperzinc]

I have gauss as well. It's a nice gun except it's ammo is way too rare for me. I usually just use my .45 instead. The second one is interesting: why do you think it's better than mine?

Normal shotguns aren't all that impressive, but this one is xD

[Sempophai]

Originally posted by Greb:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561214148
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561360207
Nope. Unless you're talking POINT BLANK range.

I'm talking 10 or less feet, often the brown trouser moment when a deathclaw somehow sneaks up you and there is no cover you can reach, shotgun, vats, stomache, pretty effective, though spray'npray ain't bad either... I'd love to pick up one of the explosive shotguns, but my luck with legendarys is ZILCH, i find crap.

[copperzinc]

Originally posted by Sempophai:

Originally posted by Greb:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561214148
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561360207
Nope. Unless you're talking POINT BLANK range.

I'm talking 10 or less feet, often the brown trouser moment when a deathclaw somehow sneaks up you and there is no cover you can reach, shotgun, vats, stomache, pretty effective, though spray'npray ain't bad either... I'd love to pick up one of the explosive shotguns, but my luck with legendarys is ZILCH, i find crap.

For the record: deathclaws requires 2-3 shots at close-medium range with this one xDDDD

[Greb]

It's not better, really. Fires 190x6 every few seconds, pales against a shotgun but it's better for long range attacks. That's the only flaw the shotgun has, the range. Otherwise it's a murdercannon. Bethesda never got "multiple projectiles" right, since they insist on Damage Resistance instead of Damage Threshold...because they're lazy.

Only reason I say the Gauss is better is because nothing I've shot has survived one shot even not fully charged, and it contains 20 rounds and is incredibly accurate. Charging it is a moot point too since it takes like a second, barely a lul in firing etc.

Yeah I never found anything nice in terms of Combat Shotguns. Got a Powerful one and also the Le Fusil Terribles, and that's it. I'm hunting for a Never-Ending Sawed Off...doubt I'll find one at level 91 though.

I'm so used to using this at this point:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=557308656
and not having to aim directly at an enemy merely the floor near them or a wall or the ceiling, that my weapon knowledge for the last 30 levels has literally drained away. Bleh. Explosive Rounds on a shotgun is NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH since the shotgun is ideally used at close range, which would catch you in the blast. I'd prefer Plasma Infused, or Instigating.

[copperzinc]

Originally posted by Greb:

It's not better, really. Fires 190x6 every few seconds, pales against a shotgun but it's better for long range attacks. That's the only flaw the shotgun has, the range. Otherwise it's a murdercannon. Bethesda never got "multiple projectiles" right, since they insist on Damage Resistance instead of Damage Threshold...because they're lazy.

Only reason I say the Gauss is better is because nothing I've shot has survived one shot even not fully charged, and it contains 20 rounds and is incredibly accurate. Charging it is a moot point too since it takes like a second, barely a lul in firing etc.

Yeah I admit at long range this shotgun does much less damage than .45. I always have to have other types of weapons. Also this weapon sucks at "hostage rescue" because the hostage was blown up each time I've used it.

[Glitshy]

@OP
Completely wrong...
In FONV, the damage was displayed as 7x30 for example. Meaning one shot consists of 7 pellets. In FO4, the 212 damage of your shotgun is the maximum damage your shogun does, when every pellet hits.
Therefor, the combat shotgun is still very powerfull, but far away from beeing the most powerful.
The double shot gauss rifle posted above is indeed the most powerful weapon aside from explosives.
Or, atleas as far as i know.

[Greb]

Originally posted by copperzinc:

Originally posted by Greb:

It's not better, really. Fires 190x6 every few seconds, pales against a shotgun but it's better for long range attacks. That's the only flaw the shotgun has, the range. Otherwise it's a murdercannon. Bethesda never got "multiple projectiles" right, since they insist on Damage Resistance instead of Damage Threshold...because they're lazy.

Only reason I say the Gauss is better is because nothing I've shot has survived one shot even not fully charged, and it contains 20 rounds and is incredibly accurate. Charging it is a moot point too since it takes like a second, barely a lul in firing etc.

Yeah I admit at long range this shotgun does much less damage than .45. I always have to have other types of weapons. Also this weapon sucks at "hostage rescue" because the hostage was blown up each time I've used it.

We need a MIRV Shotgun. Fires 8 shells which (somehow) prime midflight and fire their payload of 9 or so pellets each. Now that'd be a gun you could use in a hostage situation.

[copperzinc]

Originally posted by Glitshy:

@OP
Completely wrong...
In FONV, the damage was displayed as 7x30 for example. Meaning one shot consists of 7 pellets. In FO4, the 212 damage of your shotgun is the maximum damage your shogun does, when every pellet hits.
Therefor, the combat shotgun is still very powerfull, but far away from beeing the most powerful.
The double shot gauss rifle posted above is indeed the most powerful weapon aside from explosives.
Or, atleas as far as i know.

Except 212 can't be the total damage dealt, since this one is much more powerful than my 500dmg missile launcher at close range.
There's a bug with displaying dmg right now. Just like 30+ dmg can't be all that MIRV fat mean deals.

Originally posted by Greb:

Originally posted by copperzinc:

Yeah I admit at long range this shotgun does much less damage than .45. I always have to have other types of weapons. Also this weapon sucks at "hostage rescue" because the hostage was blown up each time I've used it.

We need a MIRV Shotgun. Fires 8 shells which (somehow) prime midflight and fire their payload of 9 or so pellets each. Now that'd be a gun you could use in a hostage situation.

Would be nice to allow us modify the ammo to different gagues.