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Does Lorenzo not deserve justice for being imprisoned and tortured for 400 years?
What would be a just sentence for the family?
If you dig into the dialogue in more depth you would understand the following listed in sequence of the time it happened.
1) He found an artifact at an archaeological dig and placed it on his head
2) His personality changed he gained unusual powers then he began murdering people
3) The AUTHORITIES not his family apprehended him.
4) Due to his families influence he was locked in the institution rather than being executed for his crimes.
5) The Family began research trying to find a way to remove the artifact during which they discovered the curative properties added to his blood by the artifact.
This allowed them to live for over 400 years without appearing to age any further.
If we release him he kills the family then as we learn in the later encounter has returned to murdering other people.
So explain how being locked away to protect others from being murdered by him is injustice or a crime against him of any kind.
There is no indication that he has been tortured only that he has been locked away while the family tried to find a safe way to remove the object.
So to you, there is no justice for him. You just kill others out of fear and call it justice.
If you want to be just then you need to give somebody justice when they deserve it. It should not matter who they are and what they do later in life. If they commit crimes later in life then they need to be judged accordingly and with regards to the crime they have committed. Victims can become criminals, and criminals can become victims. Justice does not get to pick, but everyone is equal.
I directly answered your question.
Maybe we need to start with the basic definition of justice because nowhere in that definition is punishing those who stopped his murder spree considered any form of justice much less punishing his family for convincing the authorities who arrested him to put him in an asylum while they search for a cure instead of executing him.
So what punishment do you think the family deserved for keeping him alive for 400 years instead of allowing the authorities to execute him.
Again
1) He Murdered people until the AUTHORITIES that still existed 400 years ago in the fallout universe arrested him.
2) The AUTHORITIES were going to execute him for the murders he committed.
3) The family got his death sentence commuted to being committed to the asylum.
4) They worked non stop since trying to find a way to remove the object and save him.
5) It was not until after the research to find a way to remove the artifact that they discovered the longevity etc. offered by a serum they could make from his altered by the artifact blood.
So what does JUSTICE mean to you when you keep asking me what justice a convicted murderer who just happened to live hundreds of years beyond his expected lifespan when sentenced should get against those who prevented his execution 400 years ago?
again there is no indication of any type of torture being done to him.
IF that is not clear enough then I will try one last sentence to get you to understand.
He was a serial murderer lawfully arrested and sentenced to the asylum at a time when no one knew he was going to live for 400+ years.
There is no such thing as JUSTICE by punishing those who prevented his execution and tried to cure him.
This is not a case of some inoccent person who was just grabbed off the street and used for experimentation by his family.
In fact actual justice would have been the family staying out of the case and allowing the original sentence to be carried out 400 years ago.
You then say you see no indication of him being tortured but yet are you quite convinced he committed crimes in the past when you were not even around.
You simply picked the side of the family and now want this to be justice.
Answer me this then do not his victims deserve justice?
You still fail to comprehend HIS FAMILY DID NOT PUT HIM THERE all they did was influence the court to not sentence him to death for the murders he committed.
In other words they saved his life 400 years ago by having him committed instead of killed.
Asking if he deserves justice against his family when nothing UNJUST was done to him by his family is a failed question.
Especially when we consider the random encounter where we learn THEY DID NOT LIE TO US they were not keeping him locked up just to have the serum they did not even know it could be made when he was locked up by the authorities.
Anyone who understands plain English can read my posts and see that I clearly answered your loaded question.
He is not owed justice for his lawful incarceration
His family did not torture him.
Demanding a yes/no answer to the question is moot since giving any answer implies he was treated unjustly by his family and we are simply deciding if we are going to give him justice for it or not when there is none owed him.
The family is the only reason he was locked away instead of executed.
His victims were denied justice when his family convinced the authorities to lock him in the asylum instead of executing him.
Those we know he is going to kill when set free are denied justice as well because it is unjust to knowingly allow someone to be murdered by releasing someone we know is going to keep killing people.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Lorenzo_Cabot
"After finishing The Secret of Cabot House by siding with Lorenzo, one may run into him at one of several random encounter locations. He examines some dead ghoul settlers and tells the player character that he killed them to study their condition."
This is the kind of thing he was doing to people in the 1800s that got him arrested and locked in the asylum. And it is not always ghoul settlers in my experience.
If he chooses to shoot his way out of captivity then this can be revenge, it can be self-defense, or something else.
You seem confused. His murders in the 1800s were not self defense or as part of an escape they like the random encounters were because he wanted to "study them" a direct result of the artifacts influence over his actions.
He does not shoot his way out of captivity to escape he took control of the minds of some raiders and had them kill all the guards present trying to stop his escape.
Once free he then hunts his family down killing all of them not just the ones directly responsible for not releasing him after the war.
This is after he is free when they are at the cabbot house not at the asylum this is not self defense.
Revenge is not justice they are in fact opposites.
As I already stated the family did nothing unjust to him his incarceration was at the hands of the authorities (long dead now) who arrested him for those murders.
The family only tried to help him by searching for a way to remove the artifact that made him insane.
As stated the serum did not exist not even as a theory when he was locked away.
The answer to your question can not be a yes/no answer the way it is worded because he is not owed justice for being lawfully incarcerated for the crimes he committed a yes or no answer is indicating that either.
1) yes he is owed it but no we are not allowing it
or
2)yes he is owed it and yes we will allow it.
When the only correct answer is he was not treated unjustly and thus is not owed justice.
If his family did not have the influence they had he would have died by execution for his crimes in the 1800s. Dialogue even with Lorenzo himself (after his release) confirms this.
He is the criminal not the family who only made the mistake of getting him committed to the asylum when his crimes called for execution.
when all of this happened the expected life span for him was not even 100 years because at the time no one knew about the longevity the artifact granted him.
In the game where I fell for his lies and freed him I had the random encounter at least three times each time the excuse for the killings was the same he wanted to "study" the victims.
The first as described was ghoul settlers, the second normal settlers, the third a group of raiders.
While I will not call his actions against the raiders murder since we ourselves are forced to defend ourselves every time we run into them the others were just settlers not criminals out to attack everyone. However he still gives the same excuse that he killed them to study them.
By the way it is either self defense or murder because killing while escaping lawful captivity is murder, killing for revenge is murder. there is no exemption for it being murder outside of actual self defense (meaning he was not fleeing lawful captivity or trying to kill or harm anyone but had to do so to keep them from killing him).
no imagine that jack the ripper in addition to being serial killer is also immortal, and has super powers? is letting a deranged serial killer out and killing the people stopping him from killing more people justice?
most sane rational people would say no.
How he escapes his capturers is semantics. They sure did not release him.
well jack the ripper was a lickely upper class serial killer with medical knowledge.
Lorenzo is an upper class serial killer with a doctorate and we see in random encounters he's killing people and cutting them up to see how they work.
its a pretty clear parallel.
he does nothing to act like rambo and even if you dismiss his families word random encounters prove they werent lying about him being a serial killer
I am not assuming I am basing it on conversations with Lorenzo at the random encounters put together with what members of his family said before I made the mistake of releasing him resulting in at least six or more murders where Lorenzo himself still under the influence of the artifact clearly states he killed them to study them.
Did you read any of the pre war terminal entries in the asylum , in the cabbot house?
His lips don't move as I hear his voice and it isn't coming from the speakers in the room we're standing in.
It started adding up. How in hell did raiders even know how to get down there unless it was Lorenzo "guiding" them.
If you stop and think about it .. that's pretty damned scary.
As for what was morally correct : That was up to Jack to decide.