Bethesda did not know that Jet was not around pre-war.

[jungle.james]

No one in their Fallout development team understood that Jet was a product of Myron and fermented Brahmin ♥♥♥♥ (Fallout 2). Vault 95 proves this thesis as was a sealed pre-war vault intended to study chemical addiction -- and they're stocked high with Jet. This would not have been possible unless you retcon Myron to "recreating" and not discovering Jet.

/spergrant

[Kris Reddish]

There are many types of Jet, the older drugs are unkown to most and you call pre was ashma inhalers Jet, becuase they(Bethesda) coud not call them amphetamine inhalors. No one outside of various regions had contact so in the eyes of the person you play..."Who the F is Myron?" This does not mean Myron did not create Jet. It just means Jet as become q-tip, no one calles them cotten swabs. But many cemicals pre war would have similar abilites and be all called the same thing. Or this is my take.

[Dear next of kin...]

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You do realize that the Chosen One can also create a Cybernetic Brain for one of their companions? He/She is basically a prodigy when heavily invested into INT and SCI.

I'm not saying he's handicapped, I'm saying there's a possibility he's just guessing. Like I said before, there's no crafting, you don't make the brain by hand, you get it out of a machine. And the intelligent tribal may have just guessed very well to get that brain.

In any case, the point is that the game is experienced though a character, a character who is new to the wasteland as a whole, and can lie to/be lied to by anyone he meets. Just cause someone in the game says something doesn't mean it's true.

And as for developer interviews: If a developer intended for a fact to be in the game, but never put it in for the main character to experience, how can it be canon?

[State Line Crosser]

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The Jet pre war could have just been a meth inhailer, It would have the sae effects, plus the dude in fallout 2 was a junkie, probably took the name from an old magazine. I'm more concerned about the stuff they left out from fallout NV, like Lots of the stuff that made that game great

It could have been a lot of things. Different things with the same name. Different names for the same thing. Still, if it is this easy for fans to deduce these things you'd think someone who bothered to spend a good deal of money on a license would take the time to work with it.

You won't ever see that NV stuff again. It is too abstract for Bethseda's primary audience.

[coledragonknight]

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The Jet pre war could have just been a meth inhailer, It would have the sae effects, plus the dude in fallout 2 was a junkie, probably took the name from an old magazine. I'm more concerned about the stuff they left out from fallout NV, like Lots of the stuff that made that game great

It could have been a lot of things. Different things with the same name. Different names for the same thing. Still, if it is this easy for fans to deduce these things you'd think someone who bothered to spend a good deal of money on a license would take the time to work with it.

You won't ever see that NV stuff again. It is too abstract for Bethseda's primary audience.

Damn, Beth made a lot of good with this game, but they also removed a looot of the great, Where's my hardcore mode!?

[Syzy]

Maybe jet's just the common name for anything inhaled that gets you high. The problem with relying on fallout 1 and 2 as a source of absoulte cannon is that it's from the perspective of one person, somewhat like defining a time period using only a couple of news articles and first hand acounts, and then never bothering to think how the material relates to the time before, or the time after, or if the material is acurate.

[Legion]

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Maybe jet's just the common name for anything inhaled that gets you high. The problem with relying on fallout 1 and 2 as a source of absoulte cannon is that it's from the perspective of one person, somewhat like defining a time period using only a couple of news articles and first hand acounts, and then never bothering to think how the material relates to the time before, or the time after, or if the material is acurate.

Except Jet is mentioned being created in the ending slides from an Omniscient narrator standpoint.

Checkmate.

[Khloros]

You do know it was never specified when the vault was open, for all you know the people end there decided to use it as a drug den and brought it back in.

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

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You do know it was never specified when the vault was open, for all you know the people end there decided to use it as a drug den and brought it back in.

The problem being that Jet was invented in Southwestern Nevada in 2241 and kept under lock and key by the Mordinos.

[coledragonknight]

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Maybe jet's just the common name for anything inhaled that gets you high. The problem with relying on fallout 1 and 2 as a source of absoulte cannon is that it's from the perspective of one person, somewhat like defining a time period using only a couple of news articles and first hand acounts, and then never bothering to think how the material relates to the time before, or the time after, or if the material is acurate.

Except Jet is mentioned being created in the ending slides from an Omniscient narrator standpoint.

Checkmate.

Jet as we know it sure, But in the 2077's 1950's Meth inaliers are probably not uncommon, I mean Look at Paycho, and Mentats, and Buffout, Those (Psycho maybe no) Were legal and in wide use, a mega stimulant fits in with it

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

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Except Jet is mentioned being created in the ending slides from an Omniscient narrator standpoint.

Checkmate.

Jet as we know it sure, But in the 2077's 1950's Meth inaliers are probably not uncommon, I mean Look at Paycho, and Mentats, and Buffout, Those (Psycho maybe no) Were legal and in wide use, a mega stimulant fits in with it

Again, Jet does not have a speculative origin. It was created by Myron at the behest of the Mordinos in 2241 and was used as a stimulant for miners in Redding. The drug, and the lack of cure for that addiction, was a central factor in the ongoing political power struggle involving the New Reno crime families, The New California Republic and Vault City.

[Kris Reddish]

How about just agree that any meth is game is just called Jet for legal reasons. In the decilne of the world, it all but dissapeared. Myron was a hack and learned how to make a new form of it using a special protien, nitrates, and dung from an animal fed the nitrates and protien. The pre war ♥♥♥♥ is real meth inhalors. The Myron created Jet is meth salts, impure and made from fecies. Both get the job done.

[Legion]

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Except Jet is mentioned being created in the ending slides from an Omniscient narrator standpoint.

Checkmate.

Jet as we know it sure, But in the 2077's 1950's Meth inaliers are probably not uncommon, I mean Look at Paycho, and Mentats, and Buffout, Those (Psycho maybe no) Were legal and in wide use, a mega stimulant fits in with it

Couldn't they have just created their own drug in that case? Hell they added a bunch in FO4. And Psycho was an experimental military combat stimm designed to make soldiers more aggressive and dull the senses. It makes sense considering the widespread deployment of the military throughout America to deal with anti-war protests (many of which ended in bloodshed) that Psycho is so widely distributed.

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

I think that, in the end, it was Pete Hines' response that was so telling. His flippant attitude was confirmation of my long-standing belief about Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios. Fallout isn't their baby, and as such they don't care about it outside of how much money it can bring them in funding the next Elder Scrolls game.

I look forward to the day that Fallout is no longer a registered trademark of Bethesda and Zenimax.

[Legion]

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I think that, in the end, it was Pete Hines' response that was so telling. His flippant attitude was confirmation of my long-standing belief about Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios. Fallout isn't their baby, and as such they don't care about it outside of how much money it can bring them in funding the next Elder Scrolls game.

I look forward to the day that Fallout is no longer a registered trademark of Bethesda and Zenimax.

Gonna have to slog through the inevitable Fallout Online before that happens I bet.

[TooMuchDanger]

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No one in their Fallout development team understood that Jet was a product of Myron and fermented Brahmin ♥♥♥♥ (Fallout 2). Vault 95 proves this thesis as was a sealed pre-war vault intended to study chemical addiction -- and they're stocked high with Jet. This would not have been possible unless you retcon Myron to "recreating" and not discovering Jet.

/spergrant

They also dont' know that the NCR is younger than Kellogg.

What if... *Heavy speculation* Father was lying to you, and 'Shaun the synth boy' is just a brainwashed child? Perhaps Kellogg wasn't given enhanced longevity, just combat-enhancing implants.