.38 ammo and weapons.

[Sempophai]

Most of the weapons seem to be pre-war builds, the shotguns, rifles etc, with their various calibers and ammo types. The most common ammo type is .38, the land is saturated with this ammo type, there was a lot of it made, yet, there is no pre-war .38 type weapon, even if there was just a basic .38 revolver in the game, it'd make more sense. What used all this .38 ammo before the bombs hit? It's obviously the equivilant of a common 9mm round, but for the most common ammo, there is no apparent pre-war firearm.

[ImHelping]

引用自 ChaosGhost：

i use mostly the .38 ammo as cheap/weightless money/BC substitut and i agree to Sempophai would be better when the 10mm ammo would be the common pre/after War Ammo and weapons (was so in the old Fallout1+2 10mmgun+submachinegun)

A handgun that uses .45 that was not stuck with a tin cane with nails through it for a tactical sight would be nice.

Pipe revolvers (.45 or .308) would actually stay in my inventory if not for that detail (sure there are recon scopes... op a pipe gun. but those are buggy as hell right now). One of the few normal not named/legendary handguns in the game that will blow the head off a super mutant in one shot.

Sometimes I dust one off when I know I'm going someplace a lot of ghouls just to hipfire their legs off. Instead of lining up 16 consecitive vats shots on someone's head with the Deliverer just because you can.

[Sempophai]

引用自 I'm Helping!：

引用自 Tyrant：

if only we could rechamber the submachinegun to the .38 i would be happy

The SMG is literally the only gun in the game I actually hate.

Because it's a .45 gun that's only as strong per bullet as a .38 pipe gun auto (and regardless of "real life" bullets, literally every other time in fallout 4, .45 ammo is stronger than .38 ammo. and mods for .38 are damage downgrades).

Oh god. If you could mod the Submachine gun to take .38 ammo... it would be LESS damage than a pipe gun then, jesus.

引用自 Sempophai：

I'm not remotely refering to the power, or the look of the guns, what bugs me, is that the .38 caliber seems to have just appeared out of no where, after the big war, with no old guns that used the caliber natively. It's the story behind the ammo which bugs me, it exists, in massive quantities, no reference to who made it, or where it came from, or when it was invented as a caliber, yet tons of it exists, but no old guns apparently used the caliber, without being modified. The most common ammo type, pre-war, should also have the most common gun, yet there are no old .38 pistols around the place. Pre-war .38 guns should exist in large quantities, for the ammo to be so common, but they don't exist at all.

I wonder if the ammo types never before seen in Fallout 1 and 2 got this much ire in New Vegas, as everyone keeps giving the .38 ammo these days.

Everyone seems to adore the ammo in new vegas (even if I wasn't a fan of the glut of ammo types. Oh goody, SURPLUS ammo that purely exists to make my gun break faster!)

Do you hate 25mm and 40mm grenades? Do you hate 20 gauge shotgun shells and .50 mg? Well? You'd probably be the first on these forums to.

90% certainty most people complaining about the glut of of .38 ammo a pass if they were not attached to hobo guns. I totally belive you if you say you'd still be mad if they looked good and worked like your favorite from a previous game.

I don't hate the ammo, my concern is more RPG orientated than pure mechanics. Yes, there needs to be a lower power higher quantity ammo, it's the fact that they invested no thought at all, as to where it came from, or why it exists in the world, that is bugging me. Pre-war, 10mm, was obviously the most common ammo type, used by standard handguns, then post war, a new cailber is apparently created, why?

I'm not hating on pipe guns, I just want the game to explain why they're .38, why they aren't say 10mm, which was the most common pre-appocalypse caliber. The world has ended, there is surplus ammo, there would still be equipment for making the old calibers available in places, yet in a world with no real organization, poor communication etc, everyone suddenly starts making the same new caliber and basing all their firearms on it. I'd like some kind of back story, like, there was some big group or organization post war, that for some reason, developed and started producing the ammo type... or more simply, that there are fairly common, weak, pre-war .38 revolvers/pistols, which explain the high amount of that caliber ammo.

[Crokite]

.38 are a extra valuta for me ingame (as i do not use any of the weapons matching that caliber) the drop rate are good and i get lot of $$$ from it.

[Tyrant]

引用自 I'm Helping!：

引用自 Tyrant：

if only we could rechamber the submachinegun to the .38 i would be happy

The SMG is literally the only gun in the game I actually hate.

Because it's a .45 gun that's only as strong per bullet as a .38 pipe gun auto (and regardless of "real life" bullets, literally every other time in fallout 4, .45 ammo is stronger than .38 ammo. and mods for .38 are damage downgrades).

Oh god. If you could mod the Submachine gun to take .38 ammo... it would be LESS damage than a pipe gun then, jesus.

well it should be using the .38 as default tbh
i have a sneaking feeling the SMG will be modded to do more dmg with the .45 or to use the .38s

that gun screams of balancing fail

[ImHelping]

引用自 Tyrant：

that gun screams of balancing fail

For more literal balancing fail, refer to things like combat armor legs having one leg weigh extra.

[Sempophai]

引用自 I'm Helping!：

引用自 Tyrant：

that gun screams of balancing fail

For more literal balancing fail, refer to things like combat armor legs having one leg weigh extra.

lol that is an odd one yeah, I spent a half hour carefully checking back and forth between pieces trying to work that one out.

[Tyrant]

引用自 I'm Helping!：

引用自 Tyrant：

that gun screams of balancing fail

For more literal balancing fail, refer to things like combat armor legs having one leg weigh extra.

well it is bethesda aka unofficial patches is mandatory.
if they would have released the geck at launch nexus would be swarmed with fixes that would tell a tale of incompetence which is kinda sad really.

bethesdas games are great skeletons to build a game from but the fact that modders are the ones that has to finish the other 80% of the game is just appaling considdering they are charging for a full game.

[Sempophai]

I think people might be skimming over my post and not quite getting what I'm saying. I fully understand why .38 exists. I have no issue with the home made guns looking like crap, they're home made. My issue is entirely, that people making homemade guns, will base the caliber of what they make, on the most commonly available ammunition. For .38 to have been the most commonly available ammunition, to cause people making home made firearms, to chamber for that round, there would have had to have been old guns, pre-pipeguns, that used this highly common ammuniton and which are themselves, fairly common, if also, somewhat limited, like, the choice in personal home defence/self defence, pre-war, may have been a fairly cheap and common .38 revolver, so, many households had one, so, most households had that ammunition in some quantity, hence, a lot of that cheap low caliber ammunition was produced before the war ended everything, hence, post war, when people built guns, they chambered them to that highly common ammunition and most pipeguns therefore, are chambered to .38, though some are chambered to less common calibers, and such pipeguns are less common, but, pre-war versions of the less common calibers still exist in the world, yet, the guns that chambered the most common ammunition type, before the appocalypse, have all vanished?

[ImHelping]

It's been 200 years. I'm amazed we have ANY ammo left if you wanna go the 'realism' angle.

As for .38 in particular, I stand by my previous "Why don't I hear any complaints about 20 gauge shotgun shells, 40mm grenades, and .50 mg ammo you never saw before New Vegas" statements.

You pretty much just hear two things in regards to Fallout 4 ammo on these forums.

1: Oh my god where did all this .38 ammo come from? Why make .38 ammo in the first place because where did all these .38 chambers come from? It was never around in previous games. Doesn't make sense!

2: Oh my god, New Vegas has so much more ammo. There are not enough ammo types in this game. Why isn't there more variety in ammo?

Should the two meet, the steam forums will explode from the matter/anti matter reaction.

[ZETA6]

those guns broke thats why you dont have any guns that use it you should have an issue with the lack of .308 round that should be all over but no hardly any still.

[Casey]

引用自 Sempophai：

引用自 I'm Helping!：

It's not a "real life" thing. It's just a Video Games thing.

If pipe guns looked like normal "Brand X" guns, the mechanical effect would be the same.

All the .38 ammo is basically there to facilitate "Weak early game guns". Just the same way Institute lasers are there to give Synths weak lasers that don't kill you too hard.

But of course, everyone gives the Institute weapons a pass, because they are pretty looking and don't have a ammo caliber label. Institute weapons use the same proper ammo as normal lasers but are worse.

Everyone just tears their hair out over pipe guns and .38 over and over. While Inst weapons are objectivly more terrible, but for some reason "You can access them easily" as a common excuse give for iweapon doesn't cut it for pipe guns, because ???

I'm not remotely refering to the power, or the look of the guns, what bugs me, is that the .38 caliber seems to have just appeared out of no where, after the big war, with no old guns that used the caliber natively. It's the story behind the ammo which bugs me, it exists, in massive quantities, no reference to who made it, or where it came from, or when it was invented as a caliber, yet tons of it exists, but no old guns apparently used the caliber, without being modified. The most common ammo type, pre-war, should also have the most common gun, yet there are no old .38 pistols around the place. Pre-war .38 guns should exist in large quantities, for the ammo to be so common, but they don't exist at all.

Suspend disbelief and just assume that .38 ammo was a very popular choice in THIS part of the Fallout Universe.

Those on higher difficulties who want a challenge get .38 to give themselves even more of a handycap starting out, but even then it's still too easy to find a better gun to use early on.

[SaltyPeanuts]

引用自 Sempophai：

Also, the lack of say 5mm, in any amount for more than a couple of battles before running low, how does anyone manage to run a heavy weapons build?

You probably want a weapons Em-poriom (needs lvl 2 cap collector and lvl 2 local leader perks).
For example, the one I have in-game has 300 5mm rounds in stock. If you want more than that at a time then you could try building more emporiums.

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I agree with OP that there should have been more weapons utilizing 38 caliber.

[Sempophai]

引用自 I'm Helping!：

It's been 200 years. I'm amazed we have ANY ammo left if you wanna go the 'realism' angle.

As for .38 in particular, I stand by my previous "Why don't I hear any complaints about 20 gauge shotgun shells, 40mm grenades, and .50 mg ammo you never saw before New Vegas" statements.

You pretty much just hear two things in regards to Fallout 4 ammo on these forums.

1: Oh my god where did all this .38 ammo come from? Why make .38 ammo in the first place because where did all these .38 chambers come from? It was never around in previous games. Doesn't make sense!

2: Oh my god, New Vegas has so much more ammo. There are not enough ammo types in this game. Why isn't there more variety in ammo?

Should the two meet, the steam forums will explode from the matter/anti matter reaction.

Considering it would take very little effort, to provide a small bit of back story, as to why the caliber is so common, why not provide it? All I'd like, is some even vague reason, why this caliber is so common in the area. A derelict factory with a few terminals refering to production of the caliber, maybe a pre-war failed business venture which was the betamax equivilant of calibers, that was produced, or imported but never took off, hence some large stockpile of the ammunition post-war started the trend, whatever the reason, I like at least some small attempt at the backstory behind elements in the game.

[Xander Tyrann]

Most likely some government guy signed off on a contract for a large amount of 38. Ammo thinking it was 308. Ammo. Then it was given out to all their troops who were all like, why the ♥♥♥♥ is there so much 38 ammo?? The only use for this ♥♥♥♥ is if you rechamber a hunting rifle, but why the ♥♥♥♥ would you do that?

So envitably they ended up throwing it away or stashing it in random places so they they would be given real ammo, and it's all this discarded ammo that we find everywhere today.

Just need Bethesda to put that story in a console and we're sorted.

[Sempophai]

引用自 Xander Tyrann：

Most likely some government guy signed off on a contract for a large amount of 38. Ammo thinking it was 308. Ammo. Then it was given out to all their troops who were all like, why the ♥♥♥♥ is there so much 38 ammo?? The only use for this ♥♥♥♥ is if you rechamber a hunting rifle, but why the ♥♥♥♥ would you do that?

So envitably they ended up throwing it away or stashing it in random places so they they would be given real ammo, and it's all this discarded ammo that we find everywhere today.

Just need Bethesda to put that story in a console and we're sorted.

See, that would work for me, say in one of the army depots, a memo about some major ammunition order screw up, a series of emails across bases, pople shifting blame, people getting chewed out for the war time epic screw up. It'd explain the caliber and the lack of firearms native to it. Throw in some present era input on a terminal from someone at some point after the war, a journal about finding a massive deposit of this ammo and starting a gun runner thing, making pipeguns and starting the ball rolling for the entire thing. Minimum effort required, but the kind of background story stuff I expect in a fallout game.