charisma perks are utterly wrong just like the others

[I3enG]

First of all why do you need charisma to build stuff? But dont go that far in the "tree" lets see charisma 1 you get shop deals ♥♥♥♥ing shop deals? at charisma one i would be happy if my character could say yes or no not complete sentences and make better deals.... charisma 1 should be the lone wanderer but no if i want to make an antisocial character it should have a lot of charisma to get buffs when he is alone Jeez.

[bugdacious]

You're utterly wrong.

The only CHA build perk is local leader. Settlements depend on your ability to lead, which is properly tied to CHA.

The shop deals perk is lvl 1 because it has the least game impact out of all the other perks. There's nothing I can't get out of that caps perk (more caps) I can't get by waiting/sleeping and then going back to easy locations to re-clear/re-loot. Balance often trumps "what makes sense". No one forces you to put points into it if you don't want to.

[Arsenic_Touch]

Swing and a miss, strike one.

[I3enG]

yes but without charisma half of the game is blocked, meanwhile back in the time if you didnt had charisma you had more fun things like your character couldnt even talk just grunt. The whole thing is illogical you can barely talk but you can make better deals, the whole point of the game is role play not what you should get earlier because it benefits you more. Its the same with luck why are you able to find lot more stuff with low level luck thats the whole opposite of that stat. Not to mention everything else.
Rpg for casuals that makes zero sense.

[=CrimsoN=]

I read this as Christmas tree lol

[Artfu1D0dger]

i actually restarted a game to prove some points, i got cha 4 but only for the dog perks, i'm gonna max out my settlements with no supply lines and i'm not doing any 'supply only/loot' runs in order to get scraps, i'm just collecting items with special parts and very light stuff (less than 1 lb), also i'm doing the absolute minimum in my settlements, trying not to use builder HUD unless its absolutely necessary

i've also got it set to survival difficulty, removed my targeting cursor, and remapped my VATS button so i won't use it even if by accident, oh yea and i'm not using fast travel

so far i've got 5 settlements or so (half have people), i'm glad i chose this, it's pretty challenging and fun :)

if you use good strategy you won't run into all the stupid issues most people are whining like babies about

[Xul]

Originally posted by I3enG:

yes but without charisma half of the game is blocked, meanwhile back in the time if you didnt had charisma you had more fun things like your character couldnt even talk just grunt.

You're thinking of intelligence, not charisma. There were no penalties to having 1 charisma in previous games except the occasional NPC comment about how ugly you were.

[clixor]

My main problem with the Charisma tree is that besides basically anything BUT the local leader perk (if you are into building settlements in the first place) the perks are pretty meh. And Charisma itself doesnt really open up any exclusive gameplay. You can get (just a little) more caps in some situations (which most companions frown upon), or get some situation solved withouth fighting but that's it.

Add to that you can get +3 or 4 from clothes, +1 from beer, +5 from grape mentats (iirc) so if you really determined to get a good deal at some point you dont need the baseline char points as well.

[I3enG]

Originally posted by Xul:

You're thinking of intelligence, not charisma. There were no penalties to having 1 charisma in previous games except the occasional NPC comment about how ugly you were.

so does that still work with low int?

[Dear next of kin...]

Originally posted by I3enG:

yes but without charisma half of the game is blocked, meanwhile back in the time if you didnt had charisma you had more fun things like your character couldnt even talk just grunt. The whole thing is illogical you can barely talk but you can make better deals, the whole point of the game is role play not what you should get earlier because it benefits you more. Its the same with luck why are you able to find lot more stuff with low level luck thats the whole opposite of that stat. Not to mention everything else.
Rpg for casuals that makes zero sense.

They just replaced INT from the previous games with CHA on this game. INT was a required stat for any build in the old game just cause it was tied to skills so deeply. A build without high INT was handicapped, pure and simple (no pun intended). Same thing on this game, just with CHA instead of INT.