i dont understand the brotherhood in this game!

[ProxyJames]

i really dont, there from the faction that was in 3 but they act more like the outcasts or the other chapters of the BOS the faction in 3 were all about the people and helping them, hell they love fawkes! a super mutie! there elder was in 3 as a kid so should he have the same ideas and elder lyons? why is he such a prick! and want cant i get them to get along with the other factions!

[Incunabulum]

Because there were *two* BoS factions in Fo3 - the 'nice' ones and the OG pricks. The Outcasts lost.

[Straybow]

Spoiler

Personally I think the death of Lyons and Sarah probably had a bit of an effect on the kid. He idolized Sarah. If you listen to his dialogue he has quite a strong conviction that he needs to help the people of the commonwealth, it is just in a somewhat more militant way then Lyons. Being thrust into a leadership role at such an early age probably wasn't the best for him either.

[Mexican Rambo]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Because there were *two* BoS factions in Fo3 - the 'nice' ones and the OG pricks. The Outcasts lost.

The Outcasts didn't "lose" Once Maxon became Elder he reunited both factions into a single entity.

[FeelsBadComrade]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

i really dont, there from the faction that was in 3 but they act more like the outcasts or the other chapters of the BOS the faction in 3 were all about the people and helping them, hell they love fawkes! a super mutie! there elder was in 3 as a kid so should he have the same ideas and elder lyons? why is he such a prick! and want cant i get them to get along with the other factions!

The brotherhood in DC are a breakoff of the normal brotherhood, the outcasts are what the normal brotherhood are like. The brotherhood in this game is more like the normal brotherhood from the original games.

[76561198157873822]

yeah the original brotherhood sent you off to a blown out nuclear facility fully expecting you to die there as a way of getting rid of you. they arent such nice bros

[donder172]

Originally posted by to go alone:

yeah the original brotherhood sent you off to a blown out nuclear facility fully expecting you to die there as a way of getting rid of you. they arent such nice bros

Well... with my char I can't blame them after accidentely hitted one of their vertibirds with the Fat Man. Stupid pilot flew into the blast radious.

[Mashpit]

The Brotherhood of the Mojave wasteland didn't have enough of a presence to carry out their mission, and was struggling just to make ends meet - in fact, they would get wiped out no matter what side you chose.

The Brotherhood of the Capital wasteland had gone rogue, and Elder Lyons was going against the mission of the Brotherhood in order to help the Capital wastelanders. The Outcasts were upholding the original mission of the Brotherhood.

The Brotherhood of the Commonwealth are xenophobic technophiles, which is pretty much exactly what the Brotherhood is supposed to be. They're not as aggressive or zealous as the Enclave with their "restore purity" mantra, but they do look down on wastelanders, and only look out for their own.

[ZeratulR]

Originally posted by ProxyJames:

the faction in 3 were all about the people and helping them

And among all the cheesy changes done to the Fallout world, this one was probably the cheesiest. BoS is a tortured, paranoid, distrustful son of a horrible world, not the shining fairytale knights living in ivory castle they become in F3. I was very pleasantly surprised that this time the writers got the Brotherhood right.
And it's not about them being moraly ambiguous for the sake of ambiguity. BoS was created by people who abandoned they duty in the time of war because they were horrified by what can an unchecked scientific progress lead to. And after that it was an endless fight for survival in the hostile world. The philosophy of Maxson's Brotherhood makes sense, it is what you can expect an organisation like that to have. And the philosophy of Lyons' brotherhood doesn't make any ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sense at all.

[Planeforger]

The Brotherhood care about technology, first and foremost. They'd only enter a burning orphanage if they felt there was valuable equipment in there. They definitely wouldn't go out of their way to save outsiders.

Still, they usually aren't genocidal, either. Fallout 4's Brotherhood is similar to the Enclave in that regard. I don't remember them being strongly anti-anything in Fallout 1 or 2.

[Straybow]

The point was more how they changed from what they were in 3 to what they are in 4.
These are just my guesses



1) Death of Lyons, brotherhood has always had a strong chain of command. How many were only following orders under Lyons we will never know.
2) Constant loss of personal in conflict, first against the enclave and continuing against the supermutants.
3) Reintegration of the outcasts, who presumably suffered less as they were not as proactive
4) Communication with the west re-established, they know that the west has fundamentally collapsed.
5) Maxsons leadership as discussed above

[Fallenliam]

OK first off most of the post in this are wrong. The Brotherhood of Steel was founded and run by a large group of soldiers. They wished to protect people from themselves by controlling the growth of technology. Their first goal is the collection and study of unknown or discovered technology. They horde power armor and eneergy weapons cause they find that they have to use force more often then negotionations. The BOS has saved people and will continue to save people where they can. Lyons took this to an extreme, he sought to have the community help him with the gathering of tech and it worked for a while. Most of the elders in truth go crazy. Their burden is not just the leadership of the BOS it is the protection of the people through control. People see them as tech fanatics when in truth its more fear then want. The old BOS wanted to avoid the extinctions of the human race (why gay relationships are frowned apon) and don't trust outsiders because most people want access to their tech,but don't believe in their cause. They are genocidal. They want the FEV Mutants and Ghouls to be extinict as they pose a threat to their control. Synths are the same thing its tech out of control.

[Mexican Rambo]

Originally posted by Lysimarkos:

The point was more how they changed from what they were in 3 to what they are in 4.
These are just my guesses



1) Death of Lyons, brotherhood has always had a strong chain of command. How many were only following orders under Lyons we will never know.
2) Constant loss of personal in conflict, first against the enclave and continuing against the supermutants.
3) Reintegration of the outcasts, who presumably suffered less as they were not as proactive
4) Communication with the west re-established, they know that the west has fundamentally collapsed.
5) Maxsons leadership as discussed above

For 3 and 5 you are correct.
According to terminals within Boston airport and The Pydwen. After both Lyons died, the father and the daugher. Chain of command blewup. It was mentioned that before Maxon took over, the BOS in the Capitol wastland has a bunch of ineffective Elders.

Thus BOS in Fallout 3 became weaker over time, once Maxon took over he overhauled the BOS and brokered a truce with the Outcast and thus the two factions became one.

As for 2 and 4, personal loss for the BOS in Capitol wasteland isn't reported in any way, nor have they established contact with their Western counterparts.

[EXPLODENSTEIN]

Originally posted by Fallenliam:

OK first off most of the post in this are wrong. The Brotherhood of Steel was founded and run by a large group of soldiers. They wished to protect people from themselves by controlling the growth of technology. Their first goal is the collection and study of unknown or discovered technology. They horde power armor and eneergy weapons cause they find that they have to use force more often then negotionations. The BOS has saved people and will continue to save people where they can. Lyons took this to an extreme, he sought to have the community help him with the gathering of tech and it worked for a while. Most of the elders in truth go crazy. Their burden is not just the leadership of the BOS it is the protection of the people through control. People see them as tech fanatics when in truth its more fear then want. The old BOS wanted to avoid the extinctions of the human race (why gay relationships are frowned apon) and don't trust outsiders because most people want access to their tech,but don't believe in their cause. They are genocidal. They want the FEV Mutants and Ghouls to be extinict as they pose a threat to their control. Synths are the same thing its tech out of control.

Sounds about right, they act more like themeselves in this game.

[Warrior Of Love]

This is more like the original bos

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Mexican Rambo:

For 3 and 5 you are correct.
According to terminals within Boston airport and The Pydwen. After both Lyons died, the father and the daugher. Chain of command blewup. It was mentioned that before Maxon took over, the BOS in the Capitol wastland has a bunch of ineffective Elders.

Thus BOS in Fallout 3 became weaker over time, once Maxon took over he overhauled the BOS and brokered a truce with the Outcast and thus the two factions became one.

As for 2 and 4, personal loss for the BOS in Capitol wasteland isn't reported in any way, nor have they established contact with their Western counterparts.

2 was an speculation based upon what I saw in Fallout 3, as they seemed to have manpower issues. That and what we know about the fate of Sarah as well as what little we know about Arthur and Shepard. Speculation in the end.

4 was based on something I heard about Maxson being confirmed by the elders, as I cannot find the evidence of this it is best to be dismissed until I do :)