Pistol/Gun VS Rifle

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Which do you prefer :

Pistol :
+ Have high damage almost the same with rifle
+ Can upgrade range to near rifle range about 200-300
+ Half of rifle AP usage in VATS (2 times more attacks in VATS)
+ Light weighted
+ Nice looks for .44 magnum revolver
- Sound not as heavy as rifle

Rifle :
+ Heavy sound, I like .50 round sound
+ Nice looks for custom .50 rifle
+ Long range scope
+ Armor piercing up to 30%
- Heavy (double pistol weight)
- Damage not that bigger than pistol especially .50 to .44 magnum
- Double of pistol AP usage in VATS (half as much attacks in VATS)

I'm using pistols now,
I rarely use energy weapons.

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[Custodi]

I prefer a semi-automatic fully upgraded combat rifle with a reflex sight. It has much more ammo capacity, and fires as fast as you can click with great accuracy and the 30% ap. Kelloggs .44 is my second favorite though just because I think it looks nice with the Silver Shroud outfit.

[ImHelping]

I like rifles for the accesibility in a blind, more aimless wandering than plot playthrough.

If I were to specialize, then pistols or automatics would be awesome too. But weapons that count as a "rifle" have many more options that you can pick up whatever is availible and get by on their default statistics (give or take some upgrades).

Such as a double barrel shotgun, or a laser musket (holy **** I'm glad I gave the laser musket a second chance).

See also "Melee vs unarmed". Unarmed can be super cool, but it is less "convenient" than blindly deciding on Melee. The average player will have a massive aresenal of melee weapons before they luck into, or google up where to find a Deathclaw gauntlet. (favorite subject of Melee vs Unarmed chats, them Legendary Deathclaw gauntlets).

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Originally posted by Dazshan:

I prefer a semi-automatic fully upgraded combat rifle with a reflex sight. It has much more ammo capacity, and fires as fast as you can click with great accuracy and the 30% ap. Kelloggs .44 is my second favorite though just because I think it looks nice with the Silver Shroud outfit.

If this is Fallout New Vegas
I'll use .44 revolver and .50 rifle at the same time, my fave those two and with same perk.

In Fallout 4 pistol and rifle have different perk and up to lv 5, so I just need to chose for being able to take other SPECIALs or perks.

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Originally posted by I'm Helping!:

I like rifles for the accesibility in a blind, more aimless wandering than plot playthrough.

If I were to specialize, I'm sure pistols or automatics would be awesome too. But weapons that count as a "rifle" have many more options that you can pick up whatever is availible and get by on their default statistics (give or take some upgrades).

Such as a double barrel shotgun, or a laser musket (holy **** I'm glad I gave the laser musket a second chance).

See also "Melee vs unarmed". Unarmed can be super cool, but it is less "convenient" than blindly deciding on Melee. The average player will have a massive aresenal of melee weapons before they luck into, or google up where to find a Deathclaw gauntlet. (favorite subject of Melee vs Unarmed chats, them Legendary Deathclaw gauntlets).

With this game I just have to specialize in one kind of arms.

If this is Fallout New Vegas
I'll use .44 revolver and .50 rifle at the same time, my fave those two and with same perk.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by FreedomGent:

With this game I just have to specialize in one kind of arms.

If this is Fallout New Vegas
I'll use .44 revolver and .50 rifle at the same time, my fave those two and with same perk.

You must have really missed that combo if you posted it twice in a row with slightly different wording, quoting seperate people.

If it helps, you can put a Long Scope and long barrel on a pipe revolver and I still have it count as a "pistol". (I think a laser with a sniper barrel but pistol grip also counts there, but haven't checked).

Most pipe guns are garbage compared to their "Real gun" counterparts. But the pipe revolver remains respectable for Handgun usage. Being the only pistol option for .45 ammo, and you are able to modifiy it to take .308 ammo.

If you are really desperate for .50 ammo on a pistol, Pipe bolt action can be modified to take .50 ammo.

EDIT: as a comparison, I'm meanwhile finding that the fact I can use "small arms" rifles, AND Energy Rifles just as well a pleasant surprise. I've been honestly having a better time (and using them more often) with Energy weapons in this game than any other fallout game.

So it got that much right.

Then it turns around and makes me mad with the .45 "Submachine Gun" only dealing as much damage per bullet as a .38 pipe auto. WTF?

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Originally posted by I'm Helping!:

Originally posted by FreedomGent:

With this game I just have to specialize in one kind of arms.

If this is Fallout New Vegas
I'll use .44 revolver and .50 rifle at the same time, my fave those two and with same perk.

You must have really missed that combo if you posted it twice in a row with slightly different wording, quoting seperate people.

If it helps, you can put a Long Scope and long barrel on a pipe revolver and I still have it count as a "pistol". (I think a laser with a sniper barrel but pistol grip also counts there, but haven't checked).

Most pipe guns are garbage compared to their "Real gun" counterparts. But the pipe revolver remains respectable for Handgun usage. Being the only pistol option for .45 ammo, and you are able to modifiy it to take .308 ammo.

If you are really desperate for .50 ammo on a pistol, Pipe bolt action can be modified to take .50 ammo.

Pipe weapons not cool, end of story.
I like the weapon to be more real too, so it will not do with modifying ammo usage.

This just about Pistol VS Rifle.

10mm
.44

VS

.45
.308
.50

Thats all

[Peter Pan]

Rifle, but I just got nice unique gun that does more damage, so I'm using both.

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Originally posted by Peter Pan:

Rifle, but I just got nice unique gun that does more damage, so I'm using both.

If you take perk in one of the branch either pistol or rifle, it will outdamage the other eventually.

[Rytiko]

Originally posted by I'm Helping!:

EDIT: as a comparison, I'm meanwhile finding that the fact I can use "small arms" rifles, AND Energy Rifles just as well a pleasant surprise. I've been honestly having a better time (and using them more often) with Energy weapons in this game than any other fallout game.

So it got that much right.

I did like this change. It never made sense to me with my small arms sniper/assault characters how I can easily hit a target hundreds of yards away with a sniper rifle, but suddenly become a storm trooper when I pick up a laser rifle.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Rytiko:

Originally posted by I'm Helping!:

EDIT: as a comparison, I'm meanwhile finding that the fact I can use "small arms" rifles, AND Energy Rifles just as well a pleasant surprise. I've been honestly having a better time (and using them more often) with Energy weapons in this game than any other fallout game.

So it got that much right.

I did like this change. It never made sense to me with my small arms sniper/assault characters how I can easily hit a target hundreds of yards away with a sniper rifle, but suddenly become a storm trooper when I pick up a laser rifle.

not sure how the mechanics work in game, but i'd imagine they would handle alot differently with the fact that your firing a laser which would have minor recoil, versus something that has a controlled explosive to fire it. that alone would cause your aim to be off for awhile.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by FreedomGent:

Pipe weapons not cool, end of story.
I like the weapon to be more real too, so it will not do with modifying ammo usage.

This just about Pistol VS Rifle.

.38
10mm
.45
.44

VS

.45
.308
.50

Thats all

I agree with the fact they can't have a proper tactical scope is stupid (particularly when you are allowed to fit a digital recon scope on them).

But if you just completly ignore Pipe revolvers, you look that much more silly complaining about a lack of options. (I agree .38 pipe guns have no long term viability outside of lightweight 6 lb assault rifles with zero spread)

Anyways. That' "chart" is super wrong anyways. Even if you cony default ammo and not "modified to take it" ammo.

.308 still works for pistols because of Pipe bolt action. (Hey, you aren't ignoring Pipe weapons on your list. You put .45 for handguns, which only the Pipe revolver takes).

Both Pistols and rifles get fusion cells and gamma rounds. Because of Laser and Plasma weapons.

Shotgun shells count for rifles, the way Fallout 4 works.

I admit I forget if the Gauss Rifle counts as a Rifle or Heavy.

I'm sure I'm overlooking something, but that's already basically doubling the size of your "only these ammos" list.

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I put away .38 and .45 if I have too, just not gonna use pipe guns

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by FreedomGent:

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I put away .38 and .45 if I have too, just not gonna use pipe guns

Or energy weapons, apparnetly.

Look, I can understand being annoyed by both the looks, and the comparative viability of Pipe guns. I know I got my own Mad At Video Games guns I hate (Submachine gun why are you so ****ing weak oh my god?)

But if you just completly refuse to use them, that's... not the game's fault you are only counting two whole weapons (as of last count) for pistols.

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For survival I found pistols more usefull more of the time, especially against group of enemies.
I'm lv 26 and most of enemies at the same level not go down in 1 shoot even if I shoot them in the head with Kellogg's Pistol.

I like that though, but it become hard for if using non automatic rifle, cause I can only shoot two time in VATS, while with Kellogg's Pistol I can shoot 5 times and much more with 10mm pistol.