Papyrus

[Brack]

I'm curious if anyone has heard if they'll be sticking with Papyrus for FO4 as in Skyrim?

Basically is it worth playing around in the CK for a former FO3/NV modder to get ready for FO4?

[Brandybuck]

By the gods I hope they dump Papyrus for a real scripting language. Lua, python, etc., anything but Papyrus.

[Genebris]

I'm sure there will be small differences, but not giant. So you can start learning from Creation Kit and Papyrus.

Originally posted by Brandybuck:

By the gods I hope they dump Papyrus for a real scripting language. Lua, python, etc., anything but Papyrus.

Why? What's your problem with Papyrus? I mean, of course Lua is awesome, but just for modding Papyrus is absolutely enough.

[Joblo]

in skyrim papyrus engine can be to much easily stressed

[Tyrant]

the papyrus engine has a tendency to collapse on itself and die forcing you to spam the f5 f9 combo just to restart it for a brief moment before it dies again.

so heres to hope of them dumping that relic that they have used since Morrowind

[Brandybuck]

Originally posted by Genebris:

Originally posted by Brandybuck:

By the gods I hope they dump Papyrus for a real scripting language. Lua, python, etc., anything but Papyrus.

Why? What's your problem with Papyrus? I mean, of course Lua is awesome, but just for modding Papyrus is absolutely enough.

As a software engineer, it's just a bad language. Maybe it's really optimized for the engine, but having to use it is a major pain. There's a reason why so many other games use Lua instead of writing their own in-house scripting language.

Of course ANY Turing Complete language is "enough" for modding, that's not a meaningful argument.

[Genebris]

I never had any problems with it's syntax. There can be strange lags and bugs when using many scripted mods but I don't know how it is related to Papyrus itself. Other than that all problems that I encountered were about lacking some specific methods in the API, not langauge.

[Joblo]

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1487930-getting-a-lot-of-script-lag-going-over-10000-ms-sometimes/?p=23340131

[Brandybuck]

Originally posted by Genebris:

I never had any problems with it's syntax. There can be strange lags and bugs when using many scripted mods but I don't know how it is related to Papyrus itself. Other than that all problems that I encountered were about lacking some specific methods in the API, not langauge.

The functions are fine, it's the language itself. It just feels like something someone whipped up over the weekend.

And again, WHY not write your own scripting language when there were many quality languages available for free with no royalties?

[Mr.Hmm]

Papyrus should be scrapped seriously its quite a big relic.

its best to use Lua/Python and other Scripting languages.

[Genebris]

Originally posted by beurp99:

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1487930-getting-a-lot-of-script-lag-going-over-10000-ms-sometimes/?p=23340131

What I can tell from reading this post is that lags aren't caused by papyrus itself, but rather by default game settings that are intended to preserve framerate by pausing scripts.
Well, if Lua would be faster than papyrus (but how can you know that?), then ofc they should use it.

[Joblo]

i fear than faster can't be enough to do diffence. It seems to rely alot more on how ressource are spread amongs the core.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

NYEH HEH HEH!

Papyrus is a cool dude. It'd be cool to see a mod about him in Fallout 4.

[Ezekial]

Originally posted by Hand's Hermit Permit:

NYEH HEH HEH!

Papyrus is a cool dude. It'd be cool to see a mod about him in Fallout 4.

i was waiting for someone to say that XD

[Ezekial]

if they keep using papyrus they're gonna have a bad time :P