Bethesda, please don't let Obsidian make any more Fallout games.

[Starbug]

After Fallout 3, New Vegas was such a disappointment. If any of you guys are reading this, please make a note NOT to allow them to make another Fallout game again.

Maybe they used to be a relevant, competent developer in the CD-ROM days, but this is the internet age now and we want the games to be on a par with FALLOUT 3 and OBLIVION.

Please don't let this franchise out of your coders hands again (unless Rockstar want to make a Fallout - You should allow them to have a go).

[Devious]

Bethesda, please ignore this thread. As good as you are at worldbuilding, every once in a while we'd like to see plots, characters and dialogs that won't make us embarassed for your writers.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Bethesda, please ignore this thread. As good as you are at worldbuilding, every once in a while we'd like to see plots, characters and dialogs that won't make us embarassed for your writers.

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

[Bobisz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Bethesda, please ignore this thread. As good as you are at worldbuilding, every once in a while we'd like to see plots, characters and dialogs that won't make us embarassed for your writers.

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

True that they excel in lore and worldbuilding, but story wise they are godawful. Not to mention their dialogs, which sometimes feel like if 6th graders wrote them.

[DCid]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Bethesda, please ignore this thread. As good as you are at worldbuilding, every once in a while we'd like to see plots, characters and dialogs that won't make us embarassed for your writers.

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

Pretty good? The Elder Scrolls lore is just copy and paste of Tolkien's lore mixed in with an assorted of other real world legends and mythology. A 5th grader could come up with the same lore as the Elder Scrolls. Seriously... All of you need to stop being afraid of reading complicated books.

All of you; your exposure to fantasy world building is strictly limited to the stunted imaginations of a bunch of mediocre writers who suffer from a lack of originality.

[Z-Boy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DCid:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

Pretty good? The Elder Scrolls lore is just copy and paste of Tolkien's lore mixed in with an assorted of other real world legends and mythology. A 5th grader could come up with the same lore as the Elder Scrolls. Seriously... All of you need to stop being afraid of reading complicated books.

All of you; your exposure to fantasy world building is strictly limited to the stunted imaginations of a bunch of mediocre writers who suffer from a lack of originality.

I see you tell it like it is... I like that, however, I'm not gonna lunge into the game expecting a grade A plot/storyline. People say Witcher 3's combat is one of the weak points of the game. Good game companies will always have a weakness. World building is one of Bethesda's strong points.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von BobbySolace:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

True that they excel in lore and worldbuilding, but story wise they are godawful. Not to mention their dialogs, which sometimes feel like if 6th graders wrote them.

true, i cant really deny that completly, but At the same time i cant say that New Vegas story writing was better, as the stry after dealing with vinnie and getting your posible revenge, looses its meaning as the problems you start to solve are morew about a regions than yours, which is why by the end of the game ifelt that as the courier(as the main) i had become just a medling outsider.

[Devious]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BobbySolace:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

True that they excel in lore and worldbuilding, but story wise they are godawful. Not to mention their dialogs, which sometimes feel like if 6th graders wrote them.

My point exactly. With paid mods out of the equation for now, it's my single biggest fear for Fallout 4. Hope they've hired a new team or at least have sufficiently improved to do something worthwile with these 107 000 lines of recorded dialogs.

"[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight with your voice on Galaxy News Radio." (repeating the obvious, then getting congratulated on your genius-level insight)
"[Speech] This has to end, Eden. You're an abortion of science...you need to die." (not an aberration. An abortion.)
"I'm going to kill you SO MUCH." (Come on, that's an insult to 6th graders.)

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von DCid:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

Pretty good? The Elder Scrolls lore is just copy and paste of Tolkien's lore mixed in with an assorted of other real world legends and mythology. A 5th grader could come up with the same lore as the Elder Scrolls. Seriously... All of you need to stop being afraid of reading complicated books.

All of you; your exposure to fantasy world building is strictly limited to the stunted imaginations of a bunch of mediocre writers who suffer from a lack of originality.

ok then alll of the games like The Witcher are just copies of tolkien's lore then, the same way that Lordof the rings is also a copy of DnD, which is one the first to bring us the role playing adventures where dwarves, elfs, dragons and mythical beings exist. Should we go evenmore back in time to the medieval story tellers, who originated all of bases of this lores, or do we need to go back to the times of myth?

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BobbySolace:

True that they excel in lore and worldbuilding, but story wise they are godawful. Not to mention their dialogs, which sometimes feel like if 6th graders wrote them.

My point exactly. With paid mods out of the equation for now, it's my single biggest fear for Fallout 4. Hope they've hired a new team or at least have sufficiently improved to do something worthwile with these 107 000 lines of recorded dialogs.

"[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight with your voice on Galaxy News Radio." (repeating the obvious, then getting congratulated on your genius-level insight)
"[Speech] This has to end, Eden. You're an abortion of science...you need to die." (not an aberration. An abortion.)
"I'm going to kill you SO MUCH." (Come on, that's an insult to 6th graders.)

Yuo are teenager in in Fallout 3

[Devious]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DCid:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

I dont know, they created and developed Elder scrolls lore and its a pretty good lore. Also notice that it is the same team that has been together since Morrowind.

Pretty good? The Elder Scrolls lore is just copy and paste of Tolkien's lore mixed in with an assorted of other real world legends and mythology. A 5th grader could come up with the same lore as the Elder Scrolls. Seriously... All of you need to stop being afraid of reading complicated books.

All of you; your exposure to fantasy world building is strictly limited to the stunted imaginations of a bunch of mediocre writers who suffer from a lack of originality.

Come on, that's an exaggeration, and you've somewhat weakened your argument by insulting everyone's intelligence, while calling Tolkien's litterature "complicated".

TES' lore is an amalgam of other fantasy universes, but a pretty solid one. And don't forget that actual gameplay often limits what writers can do with a video game's lore, since they usually have to clean up after the devs' mess and somehow fit it all in a logical narrative (something that definitely needs to change if video games are ever to be considered as a serious art form)

[Devious]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Yuo are teenager in in Fallout 3

I'm the same age as the protagonist, english isn't my native language, and I certainly don't speak that way.

Face it; writing just isn't Bethesda's forte, and that should not only be acknowledged but vehemently criticized, so that their next games won't go down that same road.

Just compare Skyrim's vanilla dialogs to those of the mod "Interesting NPCs", if you aren't convinced.

[Z-Boy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Yuo are teenager in in Fallout 3

I'm the same age as the protagonist, english isn't my native language, and I certainly don't speak that way.

Face it; writing just isn't Bethesda's forte, and that should not only be acknowledged but vehemently criticized, so that their next games won't go down that same road.

Just compare Skyrim's vanilla dialogs to those of the mod "Interesting NPCs", if you aren't convinced.

Exactly, I don't know why people like to convince themselves that Bethesda is gonna add amazing writing to their games. It hasn't been their area of expertise for as long as I can remember.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DCid:

Pretty good? The Elder Scrolls lore is just copy and paste of Tolkien's lore mixed in with an assorted of other real world legends and mythology. A 5th grader could come up with the same lore as the Elder Scrolls. Seriously... All of you need to stop being afraid of reading complicated books.

All of you; your exposure to fantasy world building is strictly limited to the stunted imaginations of a bunch of mediocre writers who suffer from a lack of originality.

Come on, that's an exaggeration, and you've somewhat weakened your argument by insulting everyone's intelligence, while calling Tolkien's litterature "complicated".

TES' lore is an amalgam of other fantasy universes, but a pretty solid one. And don't forget that actual gameplay often limits what writers can do with a video game's lore, since they usually have to clean up after the devs' mess and somehow fit it all in a logical narrative (something that definitely needs to change if video games are ever to be considered as a serious art form)

Serious? That should not be a goal, as the games being fun, and sometimes funny, reasons why we play them. Sore i love the serious nature of The witcher's lore, but i alos love the wacky Saint row's story style.
Thought credit should always be put where is due, and all of this games, and giant ammount of progress that games have had in terms of evolution in the last spam of 10 to 15 years should be hold accounted for, as it has being a commendable impressive feat. The leaps and bounds that this companies have done and the large ammount of coding that has been put into this games should also be note worthy, which is something that we all tend to forget. Even the crapiest of games even the 2d old atari games' coding is complex and require a lot of time and dedication to make.

Which is why i can"T just blindly called a game bad for not being strong in every point that is observed in games when judging.
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Sorry i had to correct the ending.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Yuo are teenager in in Fallout 3

I'm the same age as the protagonist, english isn't my native language, and I certainly don't speak that way.

Face it; writing just isn't Bethesda's forte, and that should not only be acknowledged but vehemently criticized, so that their next games won't go down that same road.

Just compare Skyrim's vanilla dialogs to those of the mod "Interesting NPCs", if you aren't convinced.

Yes you do not, but other teenagers do which is why the give so many choices of dialogue. And that they are not enough,and sometimes dont convey what you would like to say, is just a fact that separate vids from reality. Lets face it, they cant just waste their whole time giving you lots of dialogue options just to answer one line in the game.

[Devious]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Evil Sage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devious:

Come on, that's an exaggeration, and you've somewhat weakened your argument by insulting everyone's intelligence, while calling Tolkien's litterature "complicated".

TES' lore is an amalgam of other fantasy universes, but a pretty solid one. And don't forget that actual gameplay often limits what writers can do with a video game's lore, since they usually have to clean up after the devs' mess and somehow fit it all in a logical narrative (something that definitely needs to change if video games are ever to be considered as a serious art form)

Serious? That should not be a goal, as the games being fun, and sometimes funny, reasons why we play them. Sore i love the serious nature of The witcher's lore, but i alos love the wacky Saint row's story style.
Thought credit should always be put where is due, and all of this games, and giant ammount of progress that games have had in terms of evolution in the last spam of 10 to 15 years should be hold accounted for, as it has being a commendable impressive feat. The leaps and bounds that this companies have done and the large ammount of coding that has been put into this games should also be note worthy, which is something that we all tend to forget. Even the crapiest of games even the 2d old atari games' coding is complex and require a lot of time and dedication to make.

Which is why i can just blindly called a game bad for not being strong in every point that is observed in games when judging.

"Serious" as in "respected", not necessarily sober and weighty.

I'm not denying that amazing leaps in technology, game design and even storytelling were made over the years, but low standards are not a way to encourage progress. Gamers and companies alike must always strive for perfection.

I never called Fallout 3 or Skyrim a "bad" game, but I consider writing to be an extremely important aspect of any RPG, one that is very much lacking in Beth's works (just as New Vegas lacked Fallout 3's amazing atmosphere, though that's much more subjective).